Neither is this issue.

Besides, in all those other cases, those people could have chosen to emmigrate. In the case of the labor laws, those were about people chosing a behavior. In addition, religion is far more of a choice than sexuality, and we protect those rights through the government.

Fordama

So you say. Whereas i agree with you that they do not have a choice to be a homosexual, they do have choices in how they behave.

"this issue" isn't about what OTHER perceived rights are protected or not protected.

Neither is "this issue" about what other groups have been discriminated against.

I have to wonder why you're being so adept at erecting your straw men...

I always forget that gays aren't real people for you, so their problems are imaginary. Sorry.

Fordama

Wow ... moving the goalposts AND ad hominem, all in the same statement.

You must have REALLY run out of gas.

Pot, kettle, black.

Fordama

Where?

Point it out to me.

And your point is? I am not espousing Ronnie as a great moral figure. Never have.

Neither ... it's "forgiveness."

A concept with which some in this community have an especially hard time grasping.

30 years from now, there is going to be a whole lot of people embarrassed about voting in favor of Prop 8.

So in other words don't be who you are to appease the narrow minded?
Sounds great

Personally, as a man who stands for gay marriage, I think it is very debatable as to whether or not it is a choice. Personally, I think it is a choice for some, and not for others. Human nature and the activity of the brain is very complex, and none of us should even pretend to think we completely understand it. Anybody pretending they completely understand it is ignorant and self-righteous.

What I understand is growing up with a very good friend that would cry to
me telling me he wish he weren't gay..it is not an easy thing to deal with when you
are a child (being born gay)....Of course no one completely understands anything when it comes to human behavior but what I do understand right from wrong..and discrimination is wrong..I don't care what kind of spin anyone wants to put on it to suit their own beliefs.

Again, being a child and recognizing one self is gay is completely different than being born gay. I was only trying to clarify that. A lot of things happen to us as infants and children, some of them are overt and some not. IMO, there is nothing wrong with being gay. I just cannot stand the continuous argument that it has to be one or the other. It has been my experience that life isn't that black and white.

There is no, repeat, NO evidence of any genetic basis for homosexuality. None. If there were, we would be hearing about it all over the place.

You have nothing intelligent to say, so you resort to name calling. Nice.

I see what you are saying, but it's hard to remain civil in the face of people who are intentionally or unintentionally cruel to a segment of the population that has no real effect on those inflicting the cruelty.

Fordama

I had no idea have a differing opinion now amounts to cruelty.

Because right now that opinion is the same as the cruelly constructed laws that deny rights for absolutely no rational reasons.

Fordama

That is simply not true, and I find it hard to believe any rational person would think as such.

It's only not true if you consider homosexuals as lesser human beings deserving of fewer rights and subject to more restrictions.

Fordama

No. Homosexuals are not denied any rights.

Marraige is not, nor has it ever been, a right.

Sure they are. They can't get married, they can't be safe against testifying against their mate, in many places they don't get many benefits or rights that heterosexuals do.

In fact, there are several hundred Federal benefits through statutes that homosexuals are denied that heterosexuals have a right to.

It was just a few months ago, and marriage is a right for heterosexuals. We can pretend that it's not because it isn't enumerated, but it is a de facto right.

Fordama

For a few months, due to a misguided (IMO) court decision, homosexuals had the priveledge of being married in the state of CA. Due to the will of the people, that priveledge was taken back. If it were in fact a constitutional right, then they would have been awarded that right.

Any further banter by you is meaningless. You need to accept reality and move on.