Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

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Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby kramer » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:00 pm

The left's plan for global socialism takes another hit:

A Test of the Anthropogenic Sea Level Rise Hypothesis
23 Pages Posted: 23 Aug 2017 Last revised: 27 Aug 2017


Abstract

Detrended correlation analysis of a global sea level reconstruction 1807-2010 does not show that changes in the rate of sea level rise are related to the rate of fossil fuel emissions at any of the nine time scales tried. The result is checked against the measured data from sixteen locations in the Pacific and Atlantic regions of the Northern Hemisphere. No evidence could be found that observed changes in the rate of sea level rise are unnatural phenomena that can be attributed to fossil fuel emissions. These results are inconsistent with the proposition that the rate of sea level rise can be moderated by reducing emissions. It is noted that correlation is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a causal relationship between emissions and acceleration of sea level rise.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3023248


Won't be long before "the team" (comprised of left-wing 'scientists' leveraging exaggerated and shoddy 'science' in order to follow through on the plan for global socialism that stems from the report "Our Common Future") 'debunks' this study or comes out with one that refutes it...

Wouldn't be surprised if Fordama with his 'crack' interweb sleuthing skills has already read that this study has been debunked somewhere on the inter web. He probably won't have a link but he'll say it's all over the place... :wink:
Heck, he probably found these reports debunking this study before this report was even published!


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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby Fordama » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:18 am

Hmm, a non-reviewed paper uploaded to an open access social science site by a former professor of economics?

Well that's solid. That'll undo decades of research.

Some previous info on Munshi's "theories." He also pushes the "Mozart Effect" and other misinformation:

"Shaw and Rauscher may have spawned an industry, but the mass media and others have created a kind of alternative science that supports the industry. Exaggerated and false claims about music have become so commonplace that it is probably a waste of time to try to correct them. For example, Jamal Munshi, an associate professor of Business Administration at Sonoma State University, collects tidbits of misinformation and gullibility. He used to post them on the Internet as "Weird but True," including the claim that Shaw and Rauscher showed that listening to Mozart's sonata for two pianos in D major "increased SAT scores of students by 51 points." Actually, Shaw and Rauscher gave 36 UC Irvine students a paper folding and cutting test and found the Mozart group showed a temporary 8-9 point increase over their scores when they took the test after either a period of silence or listening to a relaxation tape. (Munshi also claims that science cannot explain how a fly flies. Scientists have been working hard on this crucial problem, so we should give them their due. Some even claim to know how insects fly.)"

Basically you just dug up a paper from a whackjob and swallowed it whole.

By the way, Munshi believes that physics is fundamentally a dishonest science. Seriously. Galileo, Newton, Einstein--all frauds and charlatans, according to Munshi.

Nice.
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby Fordama » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:45 am

This guy is the give that keeps giving, thanks to a page he used to maintain!

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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby Professor Fate » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:10 pm

Fordama wrote:Basically you just dug up a paper from a whackjob and swallowed it whole.

Nobody gives any weight to a statement like that, since climate change eco-nuts apply it to anyone and everyone who dares to question that which they say is irrefutable.
Well, obviously we have giant butterflies in CA. They's climbin' in your windows, They's snatchin' your people up, tryin' to steal 'em. So y'all need to hide your kids, hide your stars, and hide your coaches cause they're grabin' everybody out here.

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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby kramer » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:17 pm

Fordama wrote:Hmm, a non-reviewed paper uploaded to an open access social science site by a former professor of economics?



Papers.ssrn.com is ok for your 'crutch' site, skepticalscience.com, where you often run to when you get stumped, to source in its papers.

Speaking of credentials, James Hansen is almost always referred to as a climate 'scientist' but he has zero university training in atmospheric science.


Fordama wrote:Some previous info on Munshi's "theories." He also pushes the "Mozart Effect" and other misinformation:

"Shaw and Rauscher may have spawned an industry, but the mass media and others have created a kind of alternative science that supports the industry. Exaggerated and false claims about music have become so commonplace that it is probably a waste of time to try to correct them. For example, Jamal Munshi, an associate professor of Business Administration at Sonoma State University, collects tidbits of misinformation and gullibility. He used to post them on the Internet as "Weird but True," including the claim that Shaw and Rauscher showed that listening to Mozart's sonata for two pianos in D major "increased SAT scores of students by 51 points." Actually, Shaw and Rauscher gave 36 UC Irvine students a paper folding and cutting test and found the Mozart group showed a temporary 8-9 point increase over their scores when they took the test after either a period of silence or listening to a relaxation tape. (Munshi also claims that science cannot explain how a fly flies. Scientists have been working hard on this crucial problem, so we should give them their due. Some even claim to know how insects fly.)"

Basically you just dug up a paper from a whackjob and swallowed it whole.

By the way, Munshi believes that physics is fundamentally a dishonest science. Seriously. Galileo, Newton, Einstein--all frauds and charlatans, according to Munshi.

Nice.


Bob Woodward, whose reporting contributed to two Pulitzer prizes for the Washington Post wrote a book in the 1990’s that said Hillary Clinton held White House “seance” conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt and Gandhi. Bet dollars to doughnuts that most of your climate 'scientists' who you believe without question supported her presidential run.
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby Fordama » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:36 pm

And I doubt if many of them went to any seances. In the meantime, your boy also wrote than drinking your own urine could cure all sorts of ills, including cancer.

And Hansen had a BA in physics and mathematics, Master's in astronomy, and a PhD in physics. That's when he first started working with radiative transfer models--something very key in global warming.
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby kramer » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:52 pm

I never alluded to them going to seances. So what you said was nothing.

Hansen isn't a climate scientist and that is what I'm pointing out. He's often referred to as one in the MSM news who often now claim they don't give fake news.

Gotta love the stupidity of the saps who believe the MSM (and don't question climate scientists).
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby Fordama » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:12 pm

Professor Fate wrote:Nobody gives any weight to a statement like that..

Nobody who is a science denier--nutjobs are their life's blood.

"...about 150 million years ago mars was full of life. some martian 'humans' resemble native Americans. Their civilization was similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. They built pyramids, cities, and canals. Then something terrible happened. "

Yeah, this guy's on the ball!
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby John Q. Public » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:45 pm

kramer wrote:Hansen isn't a climate scientist and that is what I'm pointing out.

I'm confused. Wikipedia says he's studied and taught the subject at the university and professional level since the '70s. One of these doesn't seem to be correct.
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby kramer » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:33 pm

I got my information from his CV. If I'm recalling correctly, he's got a MS in Astronomy and a PhD in physics. Nothing to sneeze about but not a background in atmospheric science.
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby Fordama » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:25 pm

Except that he specifically worked with radiat....

****, how many times does the same thing have to be said?
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby Fordama » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:45 pm

The Japanese would agree with me that this Munshi character's elevator doesn't go all the way to the top.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/clim ... p_1=824365

Seems like they are getting ready for the effects of global warming and the potential for flooding already. While our current government revels in its scientific illiteracy while selling itself off to the fossil fuel industry, much of the educated world understands the science and is acting on it.
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Re: Study: No evidence that sea level rise is from fossil fuel use

Postby kramer » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:21 am

Fordama wrote:Except that he specifically worked with radiat....

****, how many times does the same thing have to be said?


His CV shows no background in atmospheric science/physics. He is not a climate scientist.

Sometimes you have to de-cling from convenient myths. This is one of those times Fordama.
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