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Postby Wabash » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:10 pm

He's not that stupid. But he knows his listeners are that stupid.


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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:16 am

This one's a 36 point

WTF?

Could this possibly be legal? What about the Hippocratic oath? What in the Hell would Jesus say? WTF has happened to our country?

The top civil rights official at the Department of Health and Human Services is creating the Division of Conscience and Religious Freedom to protect doctors, nurses and other health care workers who refuse to take part in procedures like abortion, or treat certain people – especially transgender patients [and people who have had abortions --JQP] — because of moral or religious objections.

"No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one's deepest moral or religious convictions, and the new division will help guarantee that victims of unlawful discrimination find justice," said Roger Severino, the director of HHS' Office for Civil Rights.

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"Medical standards, not religious belief, should guide medical care. Denying patients health care is not liberty. Choosing your patients based on their gender or gender expression is not freedom," said Louise Melling, deputy legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, in a statement.

She said the group is ready to sue HHS.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... us-grounds


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Postby Professor Fate » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:29 pm

It seems to me that this protects doctors, nurses and other health care workers from having to preform, or aid in abortions, for religious objections. I'm fine with that.

It also protects them from being forced to perform or aid in the performance of sex change operations, for religious objections. I'm fine with that.

This NPR article is nothing more than fear mongering by the left. It reminds me of the fear mongering during the election, that claimed that if Trump won, all gays would be rounded up, and put in deprogramming camps. :roll:

And I'm disappointed JQP that you felt the need to alter the quote by adding your beliefs to that first paragraph. And this certainly doesn't mean that any doctor opposed to abortion, could refuse to treat an abortion recipient for a case of appendicitis, or a hernia, or a toenail fungus.

Now, having said that, the following paragraph from the article, does make some legitimate points.

...there are many examples of health workers refusing care on religious grounds, including a nurse who didn't want to provide post-operative care to a woman who had an abortion. If say a woman who had an abortion, returned to the hospital because she had started to bleed again and couldn't stop it, any nurse who wouldn't help her should be in deep trouble.

...a pediatrician who declined to see a child because his parents were lesbians. That pediatrician should be disciplined. (By the AMA perhaps). But really, IN ADDITION TO THAT, would you want your child treated by someone who felt that way? Find another pediatrician.

...and a fertility doctor who didn't want to provide services to a lesbian couple. There ARE some people who fervently believe that parenthood should be the result of the love between a man and a woman. Again, not an emergency. Find another fertility doctor.
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Re: Your Daily WTF

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:34 pm

And I'm disappointed JQP that you felt the need to alter the quote by adding your beliefs to that first paragraph.

It's called an insertion and I used the standard notation for one. You did the same thing but I used the shortcut. And I noted it.

If you think that straightforward reporting of facts, without the use of words like "outrageous," "appalling," "God-given right" or "patriotic" is "fear mongering by the left," I pity you.
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Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:06 pm

I'm disappointed Prof. that you felt the need to alter the story by adding red font
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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 pm

Oh. And my point - if the nurse didn't want to provide post-op care for the woman with the abortion or the two doctors didn't want to provide care for the lesbians, maybe they should have gotten into washing machine repair instead of medicine. They shouldn't get government protection because they chose the wrong line of work.
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Postby Professor Fate » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:10 pm

And if you read my sentences in red, you saw that I agreed with you about the nurse, and about the pediatrician.
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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:44 pm

Exactly. They need employment counseling, not a "safe space" provided by Christian nanny government.
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Postby Professor Fate » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:02 am

I don't think the nurse or the pediatrician would be protected by this agency, in those circumstances.
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Postby Vilepagan » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:03 am

Professor Fate wrote:Source of the post It seems to me that this protects doctors, nurses and other health care workers from having to preform, or aid in abortions, for religious objections. I'm fine with that.


Can you cite one example where a doctor has been forced to participate or assist in an abortion against his or her will?

It also protects them from being forced to perform or aid in the performance of sex change operations, for religious objections. I'm fine with that.


Again, you cite medical procedures that are usually referred to as "elective" surgeries and then talk about doctors being "forced" to perform them. I don't think this has ever occurred, so what is the government "protecting" anyone from?

Seriously professor, can you cite an actual example of a situation where a doctor might be asked to perform a procedure he or she may find objectionable?

Also, would you be comfortable extending such discretion to other types of service providers? Would it be ok for example for a policeman to refuse to answer calls made by a Muslim or a gay person because the policeman had religious objections to serving such people? I think not.

Honestly this is just a way to get around non-discrimination laws by people who claim to be religious but really are just bigots, and the government has no business helping such people be bigots.
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Postby MDDad » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:53 am

Vilepagan wrote:Honestly this is just a way to get around non-discrimination laws by people who claim to be religious but really are just bigots, and the government has no business helping such people be bigots.

That is an unfounded, biased generalization on your part.

Of course care providers, whether policemen, firemen or medical personnel, should be obligated to provide the needed care in emergency and trauma situations. However, there are many such professionals who have religious principles not based on bigotry, and they are guaranteed the right to exercise those beliefs (I would add, in elective, non-emergency situations). If you have a problem with that, it's with the Constitution and not posters on this forum who disagree with you.

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Re: Your Daily WTF

Postby John Q. Public » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:15 am

Professor Fate wrote:Source of the post It seems to me that this protects doctors, nurses and other health care workers from having to preform, or aid in abortions, for religious objections. I'm fine with that.

I'm pretty sure we already have laws that do that.

It also protects them from being forced to perform or aid in the performance of sex change operations, for religious objections. I'm fine with that.

What do you think the odds are of somebody who has objections to doing sex change operations doing a sex change operation? I think if I were in the market for such a procedure I'd look for a specialist in such things. If I found one who had religious objections to his area of specialization, I think I'd suggest counselling and move on.
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Re: Your Daily WTF

Postby Vilepagan » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:47 am

MDDad wrote:Source of the post Of course care providers, whether policemen, firemen or medical personnel, should be obligated to provide the needed care in emergency and trauma situations. However, there are many such professionals who have religious principles not based on bigotry, and they are guaranteed the right to exercise those beliefs (I would add, in elective, non-emergency situations).


I would have to disagree with your distinction. Service providers should be required to provide their services, emergency or not, to anyone who qualifies for them and seeks such services. These are businesses who are licensed by the state and they should be required to abide by state laws when rendering services that their business provides. Discriminating against your customers based on your personal religious beliefs is wrong, and should not be allowed under the law.

The idea that one could refuse to provide lawful services based on ones religious beliefs was recently tried by certain persons who refused to issue marriage certificates to gay people based on the issuers belief that their religion forbade such things. Seriously, when will people learn that this is not tolerated under our laws.

If you have a problem with that, it's with the Constitution and not posters on this forum who disagree with you.


I believe it's you who is on the wrong side of the Constitution, and did I name any posters on this forum in my post?
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Re: Your Daily WTF

Postby Fordama » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:10 am

I like the irony that allowing people to discriminate based on religion is "religious freedom."
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Postby Professor Fate » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:47 pm

Vilepagan wrote:Source of the post Seriously professor, can you cite an actual example of a situation where a doctor might be asked to perform a procedure he or she may find objectionable?

It started with the attempt by the Obama administration to force hospitals run by the Catholic Little Sisters of the Poor to provide contraception. Forcing Catholic Hospitals to provide abortion services would have been the next step, if the Democrats had won the 2016 elections.

This action by the Trump administration is intended to prevent that sort of thing.
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Postby John Q. Public » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:53 pm

"Forcing Catholic Hospitals to provide abortion services would have been the next step, if the Democrats had won the 2016 elections."

Not one to let logic get in the way of your thinking, eh Professor?
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Postby Vilepagan » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:05 pm

Professor Fate wrote:Source of the post It started with the attempt by the Obama administration to force hospitals run by the Catholic Little Sisters of the Poor to provide contraception.


Correction, it started when some Catholic hospitals declared they might have a problem providing certain services to their non-Catholic customers. Also, it didn't force these "Little Sisters of the Poor" to provide contraception, it would have forced them to provide health insurance plans that covered such things. I know the truth isn't nearly as outrageous as your scenario, but it is the truth nonetheless.

Forcing Catholic Hospitals to provide abortion services would have been the next step, if the Democrats had won the 2016 elections.


Fear mongering? I thought that was a Democrat thing. No matter, I'm not afraid.

This action by the Trump administration is intended to prevent that sort of thing.


No, this action by the trump administration is nothing more than him pandering to his base, pure and simple.
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Postby Professor Fate » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:23 pm

Vilepagan wrote:Source of the post it didn't force these "Little Sisters of the Poor" to provide contraception, it would have forced them to provide health insurance plans that covered such things.

Little or no difference, especially since they would have to pay for those insurance plans, which would pass those costs on to the Nuns.

And, many of those Catholic Hospitals are self insured anyway.
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Postby Professor Fate » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:27 pm

John Q. Public wrote:Source of the post "Forcing Catholic Hospitals to provide abortion services would have been the next step, if the Democrats had won the 2016 elections."
Not one to let logic get in the way of your thinking, eh Professor?
Perfectly logical next step for the Democrats, had they been successful with the contraception thing. I stand by my assertion.

And another step would have been to try to force Catholic priests to perform marriage ceremonies for Gays.
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Postby John Q. Public » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:12 pm

I saw a leaked copy of the Oafficial Democrat Agenda (or at least Breitbart claimed that it was) and both of those were actually quite low on the list, after requiring BYU to install cigarette machines in its dorms and requiring kosher delis to use bacon drippings to fry their latkes.
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