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California secession movement heats up

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California secession movement heats up

Postby cruiser » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:24 pm

The movement for California to become it's own nation formally has begin, 7,000+ volunteers will begin
to collect approximately 550,000 signatures by June to be put on the next state ballot, if passed the
next process of withdrawing from the US will take place. Apparently the request to withdraw does
not have to go through the congress and other states - there is a process through the United Nations
that could actually let California become it's own nation by a two thirds vote of UN members even
if the US vetoed the California request.

It's a new world these times nothing stays the same or is not attainable through political means
in this day of age. California has the 6th to 8th (depending on who you talk to) largest economy in the
world. It is doable that it could actually come about in the future.

What about California revoking it's statehood and become a US territory? The US Government would be
responsible for defense and the California powers at be would have control of everything else.
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Wabash » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:29 pm

This will go nowhere. No way those liberal hating, red state representatives will let go of the national piggy bank. They get the best of both worlds with CA. They can fund their idiot conservatives on the social programs they claim to hate while making fun of the liberals in la la land footing the bill. They may be republicans, but they're not stupid.

Here is but one of hundreds of example red counties.
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby John Q. Public » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:33 pm

Nice statement but in reality it makes almost as little sense as Texas seceding. Besides the obvious logistical issues, almost half of their "blue" state would still be bright red.
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Wabash » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:02 pm

One would hope the subsidized red counties would stay in the U.S.

This is the same as those folks who want to form the state of Jefferson.
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby MDDad » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:03 pm

People who should know better talk about the economic success of California the same way they do about Denmark and Sweden, forgetting that they all live happy and carefree under the defense umbrella generously provided by the United States military. Let California secede, add the cost of providing for its own military, intelligence and other costs of conducting foreign policy to the gazillion dollars of unfunded retirement liabilities it already has and let's see how long this happy little fantasyland stays on top of the world.

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Fordama » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:16 am

Apparently our goofy fringe is better at getting paperwork done than the goofy fringe in Texas.

By the way, MDad, who would we be defending ourselves against?

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby MDDad » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:21 am

Fordama wrote:By the way, MDad, who would we be defending ourselves against?

Nobody, Ford. There is absolutely no reason to have a military, because there are no forces or entities on the planet that will ever intend to do us harm. The world is a happy place and It's all good. Kumbaya.

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby John Q. Public » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:48 am

Why, Mexico, of course!

Kidding aside, that is one of the things secessionists forget about, along with all of those other federal programs that we might fund but would no longer have access to and would have to be restarted from scratch.
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby cruiser » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:50 pm

Interesting article on the California secession.


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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby MDDad » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:15 pm

No way those liberal hating, red state representatives will let go of the national piggy bank.

They can fund their idiot conservatives on the social programs they claim to hate while making fun of the liberals in la la land footing the bill.

California does indeed have the sixth (or seventh) largest economy in the world. And apparently there are enough delusional people in this state to start a petition for secession. Some here believe the state is the “national piggy bank”, and insist we Californians are “footing the bill” for “idiot conservatives” to fund their “social programs”.

So it’s fascinating that there were no comments when the primary and secondary spillways at Oroville dam were in jeopardy two weeks ago and Governor Brown went to the federal government looking for help. Yes, the leader of the sixth largest economy in the world, like the good little entitlement champion he is, went looking for a handout. I guess when push comes to shove and things get serious, those who believe in a nanny state will always go looking for a nanny. One can easily wonder what he might have done had he been the chief executive of an independent California.

And nothing but silence from his supporters on this forum.

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Wabash » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:21 pm

When you're paying the bills, there should be no problem asking for help from the entity that is getting the revenue for those purposes.
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Fordama » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:34 pm

Instead of seceding and forming our own nation, let's secede and join Canada! We'll already have a smart President that can speak like an adult!
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Bick » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:16 pm

Why not just be northern Mexico, Ford? It's pretty much the language here anyway. Talk about an easy transition!

No more worries about a fence / wall / sanctuary cities. Free education / healthcare / 4 different bathrooms to choose from. You could make the cops carry their lone bullet in their pocket, outlaw guns and right-wing speech. Should be perfect for you guys here.

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Bick » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:19 pm

MDDad wrote:California does indeed have the sixth (or seventh) largest economy in the world. And apparently there are enough delusional people in this state to start a petition for secession. Some here believe the state is the “national piggy bank”, and insist we Californians are “footing the bill” for “idiot conservatives” to fund their “social programs”.

So it’s fascinating that there were no comments when the primary and secondary spillways at Oroville dam were in jeopardy two weeks ago and Governor Brown went to the federal government looking for help. Yes, the leader of the sixth largest economy in the world, like the good little entitlement champion he is, went looking for a handout. I guess when push comes to shove and things get serious, those who believe in a nanny state will always go looking for a nanny. One can easily wonder what he might have done had he been the chief executive of an independent California.

And nothing but silence from his supporters on this forum.


There aren't any talking points / catchy phrases on Huffpo on this MDD. It requires independent thought...nothing to see here. Move along.

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Fordama » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:43 pm

Mmm, idiocy running unchecked today.

Nobody here takes the entire succession idea seriously, so why should have anyone said anything about Oroville?

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby John Q. Public » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:26 pm

People who call those things nanny state entitlement programs might have reason to complain, but the people who accept them as insurance policies against catastrophes would have no reason to.

You could ask Bobby Jindal, though. He's always one of the loudest complainers. Or at least he was until those tornadoes struck his state. I never did hear if the feds took his calls.
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Fordama » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:28 am

Like a lot of the rabid anti-gubbment red state politicians.....a couple of trailer parks get ripped up by a tornado and their screaming for FEMA!
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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Professor Fate » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:31 pm

Uh-oh...Time to change the title of the thread to "California Secession Movement cools off."

One of the leaders of the "Yes, California" movement, Louis Marinelli, says he likes living in Russia,has a Russian wife, and the movement wants to distance itself from his perceived ties to Putin.

The other main leader of the movement, Its former vice president, Marcus Ruiz Evans has since joined the "California Freedom Coalition," and plans to file new papers for ballot access by May 1st.

http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-04- ... ia-ballot/

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Re: California secession movement heats up

Postby Fordama » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:04 pm

Now Nigel Farage has shown up with some idiotic proposal to break California into two gerrymandered states.
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