Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

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Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Professor Fate » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:42 pm

We've all seen (and some have ignored) the results of immigration excesses in Europe. Angela Merkel letting in nearly a million refugees has resulted in terrorism there. In France and the Benelux countries, more of the same. Perhaps hardest hit of all is Sweden, which has seen roughly a 1500% increase in forcible rapes. There are dozens of "no-go areas" Where even the police won't go anymore. These areas are full of refugees from Somalia, Eritrea, Afghanistan, and Syria. 163,000 were allowed in in 2015, and 70,000 to 140,000 were expected in 2016. Whether they got that many in 2016 or not I don't know, but the damage was already out of control after 2015.

America needs to learn from the errors made by European countries so that we can avoid those mistakes. But again, people in America seem to be ignoring the fact that these policies have led to disasters everywhere. Governments are under fire all over Europe from citizens who are fed up with what has happened.

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Fordama » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:01 am

The number of immigrants that Obama was proposing was such a small fraction of the numbers that have gone to Europe that any comparison is meaningless.

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby MDDad » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:50 am

Ford, that's an interesting perspective on the mathematics. If the correlation between increased numbers of refugees and forcible rapes turns out to be causative, I guess whether or not you think it's "meaningless" depends on how large an increase in forcible rapes it will take before it matters.

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Postby Johnny Utah » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:40 am

Having a brother that was killed by a drunk illegal alien, 1 is too many for me.

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Postby broman » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:53 am

We had this discussion about "no go zones" and the "immigrant rape epidemic" before. Once again, where are the husbands, fathers, brothers and uncles of these women being assaulted by these immigrants? Are the men in Sweden that passive?

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Postby MDDad » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:04 am

Where are the husbands, fathers, brothers and uncles of women who get raped here in America? The reality is that, sooner or later, a woman is going to be alone without a male protector at her side.

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Postby seeinred » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:50 am

Johnny Utah wrote:Having a brother that was killed by a drunk illegal alien, 1 is too many for me.

Extremely sorry for your loss. What would your take be on the new policy had your brothers end come from any other citizen?

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Johnny Utah » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:59 pm

Whether it had been at the hands of an American citizen or someone in our country illegally, I still feel the same. Just look at what it's done in Europe. And these barbarians hate us a lot more than the people in Europe. Extreme vetting sounds appropriate to me. But if we want it done right, we need to privatize it.
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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Omar Bongo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:52 pm

Johnny Utah wrote:Having a brother that was killed by a drunk illegal alien, 1 is too many for me.

Do you want to ban alcohol as well?

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Omar Bongo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:56 pm

MDDad wrote:If the correlation between increased numbers of refugees and forcible rapes turns out to be causative...

Are you saying correlation can prove causation?

MDDad wrote:I guess whether or not you think it's "meaningless" depends on how large an increase in forcible rapes it will take before it matters...

"forcible rapes"...is that like "legitimate" rapes?

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby MDDad » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:23 pm

Omar Bongo wrote:Are you saying correlation can prove causation?

No. Why do you ask?

"forcible rapes"...is that like "legitimate" rapes?

No.

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Omar Bongo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:44 pm

Because you said this:
Omar Bongo wrote:If the correlation between increased numbers of refugees and forcible rapes turns out to be causative...
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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby MDDad » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:23 pm

I still don't understand the confusion. Correlations can be incidental, or they can come from a cause/effect relationship between the variables. In this case, if it proves to be the latter...

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Omar Bongo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:03 pm

Correlations can be incidental, or they can come from a cause/effect relationship between the variables.

Agreed.

If I paraphrase what you wrote a few posts above to, "If the correlation...turns out to be causative...", and the meaning of causative is "acting as a cause; producing" you can see why I asked for clarification.
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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Professor Fate » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:31 pm

Think for yourselves people. Sweden is in turmoil. The Swedish government is covering up what is happening. The liberal media in Europe and the US is either buying it, or helping cover it up because it thoroughly undermines their policies on immigration. The Swedish people are speaking out now, and saying Trump is right about what is going on in Sweden and the rest of Europe. Google it. Think for yourselves. you can find hundreds of you tube videos like the one below, that are telling the truth, and look at the comments below those videos. This guy in this video, says that the government is only concerned about the image of Sweden as a Socialist utopia. If you really open your eyes you will be forced to see that what we have been saying about the media is true.

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Omar Bongo » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:22 pm

Professor Fate wrote:Think for yourselves

Thanks, I will, although the other 99% of your post was trying real hard to convince me not to...

Professor Fate wrote:Sweden is in turmoil

Meatball shortage?
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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby broman » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:14 pm

MDDad wrote:Where are the husbands, fathers, brothers and uncles of women who get raped here in America? The reality is that, sooner or later, a woman is going to be alone without a male protector at her side.


True, but we are talking about an epidemic of men from the Middle East and North Africa raping women from Scandinavia. Either these women are going into these "no go zones" or they are being grabbed off the street. You can't cover up an "epidemic".

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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby Professor Fate » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:55 am

Terror attack in Sweden. The Prime minister has acknowledged that it has happened. Let's see the open door immigration advocates pooh pooh this one. Let's see the press cover this one up. Let's hear how this is not that big a deal. Let's hear how this can't happen in the US (though it already has at Ohio State last year). Let's hear how many more crimes are committed by non immigrants. ](*,) :steam:

This is one of those cases where I wish I had been wrong.
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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby John Q. Public » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:04 am

"Let's see the press cover this one up."

Um... they didn't. Didn't even attempt to. Kinda tells me there was nothing to cover up when you made your previous claims.
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Re: Naive Immigration Policy Gone Horribly Wrong

Postby broman » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:27 am

Who said it can't happen here? Use the search engine, back up your claims.

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