Trump Russia Connection

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Trump Russia Connection

Postby broman » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:32 pm

For those that missed it, Rep. Adam Schiff laid it all out

...in mid-2016, the Russians “weaponized” the stolen data and used platforms established by their intel services, such as DC Leaks and existing third party channels like Wikileaks, to dump the documents.
The stolen documents were almost uniformly damaging to the candidate Putin despised, Hillary Clinton and, by forcing her campaign to constantly respond to the daily drip of disclosures, the releases greatly benefited Donald Trump’s campaign.

In early July, Carter Page, someone candidate Trump identified as one of his national security advisors, travels to Moscow on a trip approved by the Trump campaign. While in Moscow, he gives a speech critical of the United States and other western countries for what he believes is a hypocritical focus on democratization and efforts to fight corruption.

In the middle of July, Paul Manafort, the Trump campaign manager and someone who was long on the payroll of Pro-Russian Ukrainian interests, attends the Republican Party convention. Carter Page, back from Moscow, also attends the convention. According to Steele, it was Manafort who chose Page to serve as a go-between for the Trump campaign and Russian interests. Ambassador Kislyak, who presides over a Russian embassy in which diplomatic personnel would later be expelled as likely spies, also attends the Republican Party convention and meets with Carter Page and additional Trump Advisors JD Gordon and Walid Phares.

On August 8th, Roger Stone, a longtime Trump political advisor and self-proclaimed political dirty trickster, boasts in a speech that he “has communicated with Assange,” and that more documents would be coming, including an “October surprise.”
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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby Professor Fate » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:20 pm

Two things that everyone seems to miss here:

1. Assuming you believe that Russia meddled in our election, (as nearly everyone, myself included believes), there's no evidence that the motive was to benefit Donald Trump. Nobody thought Trump had any chance to win this election, and I doubt the Russians thought anything different. There motive IMHO was to embarrass the whole process, (as well as the presumed winner Hillary Clinton) in the eyes of the world.

2. There's a reason it seemed so one sided against HRC, and not against Trump. Hillary's careless use of her servers, and Podesta's falling for a phishing scam gave them plenty of dirt on the Dems, while they tried and failed to hack into the RNC computers.

Also, a lot has been made of Trump's alleged call for the Russians to hack into Hillary's e-mails, when what he actually did was to call on the Russians to make public that which they had already hacked into:

"Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump said to a room full of TV cameras as well as reporters from the Miami Herald/Tampa Bay Times. "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

He also said: "By the way, they hacked -- they probably have her 33,000 e-mails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 e-mails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see."

Notice the word "hacked" is past tense, and the phrase "they probably have" is present tense. Pretty obvious that he was asking them to look through what they already had to find the missing 33,000. He wasn't asking them to hack into her e-mails...they already had.
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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby ShiftyMutt » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:32 pm

Their motive was the (apparently) the intense hate Putin has for Hillary. Which made her win even more important for the country. As it is now, he's probably gleaming at Trumps ineptness and rubbing his hands together at watching the implosion. Our weakness is his power.

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby seeinred » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:51 pm

"There's a reason it seemed so one sided against HRC, and not against Trump."

Um, yeah. Because he wanted Trump to win, and the people involved in Trump's campaign colluded with Russia.
Sean Spicer made it clear that Paul Manafort will be the first sacrificial lamb to be hung out to dry.
In his presser today, Spicer said that his campaign manager Paul Manafort, only played a brief roll his campaign. In reality he was at that post for five months including during the time of the RNC.
A little more from Spicer's presser:

Former campaign manager Paul Manafort had only a “limited role”

Back in the halcyon days of 2016, Paul Manafort was considered among the most powerful advisers in Trump’s orbit, after the longtime strategist was brought onboard the campaign to plot a brokered convention strategy, replacing Corey Lewandowski as Trump’s presidential campaign adviser after he won the nomination. In the following months, he oversaw the attempt to “pivot” Trump from a blustery populist firebrand into a sober, more “presidential” general election candidate, but he was forced to resign after The New York Times reported that $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments had been earmarked for the former lobbyist from a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine. (Manafort has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.)

Manafort’s tenure as campaign manager—during which the R.N.C. changed its official policy on Ukraine—was naturally raised during the briefing, which overlapped a House Intelligence Committee hearing on the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia. “There has been discussion of Paul Manafort, who played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time,” Spicer said, retroactively demoting Manafort. Even Stalin was more subtle when he airbrushed Nikolai Yezhov out of existence.

Later, after he was called out on downplaying Manafort’s role, Spicer insisted that Manafort was part of the campaign for only eight weeks, between June and August, and said that it was “ridiculous” to suggest that this meant Manafort had any role in influencing Trump. (In fact, Manafort, who also lives in Trump Tower, was brought on in February and later returned to advise the transition.)

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby Playthegame » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:17 pm

Bug Eye Schiff is pushing his half load of facts and 8 months of nothing so hard his eyes look like they are about to pop out of his head...poor man and all for naught.

Predication: They will find no conspiracy, no collusion, no violation of law by Trump org.

Only...that info few see!...was leaked to various media outlets, and everyone has pretty much agreed... :mex: that divulging classified intelligence is a crime and leakers will go to jail unless they gain asylum as in the case of Snowden and Assange.

No one reads the links, so...no longer going to bother, hopefully you check if you care...

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby John Q. Public » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:36 pm

Professor Fate wrote:Also, a lot has been made of Trump's alleged call for the Russians to hack into Hillary's e-mails, when what he actually did was to call on the Russians to make public that which they had already hacked into:

Last I heard, there was as much evidence that Hillary's server was hacked as there is that Obama tapppped Trump's phone.
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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby broman » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:37 pm

ShiftyMutt wrote:Their motive was the (apparently) the intense hate Putin has for Hillary. Which made her win even more important for the country. As it is now, he's probably gleaming at Trumps ineptness and rubbing his hands together at watching the implosion. Our weakness is his power.


Bannon's world view is based on traditional powers providing strength and stability so Russia could be a United States ally. Trump has admiration for the Russian oligarchs economic and political power. In the end, they both saw mutual benefit. The relationship started way before the election season. :2cents:

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby broman » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:39 pm

Playthegame wrote:Predication: They will find no conspiracy, no collusion, no violation of law by Trump org.


Let's start with those tax returns and the "books" of Trumps business ties.

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby seeinred » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:42 pm

I agree that there were leaks. And whom ever is responsible for them should be subject to the applicable laws that are associated with said laws.
That being said, did you find it at all odd that the GOP Congressmen only asked questions about the leaks and asked no questions about what this is all about?
Where were the questions like "were there any conversations with The president and you or your colleagues about whether the former president had wire tapped his residence?" Or how about, "is the president himself at all part of the Russian Investigation?"
GOP Congressmen didn't feel like those issues were important enough to ask about. How about you, would you like to know those answers?

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby Omar Bongo » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:45 pm

Since Trump invoked Watergate...

This is like early in the Watergate investigation when the Nixon Adminstration was denying everything by citing lack of firm evidence...and now House Republicans are focusing on punishing the leakers (Deep Throat) instead of focusing on investigating the actual allegations...it's still waaaay early folks, this isn't going away...
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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby seeinred » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:56 pm

Another question that I wished would have been asked was, " If you knew about the Russians working with the Trump Campaign back in July, why did you only divulge the portion of interference that dealt with HRC and the DNC just before the election?" I felt like the Democratic Congressmen completely missed on not asking that....

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby seeinred » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:56 am

Spicer today in his presser:
"Paul Manafort was only brought on to be Campaign Manager to count delegates."
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a patsy! =D>
How long before Trump tweets out that "this Russian loving American traitor needs to be crucified!?"

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:32 am

Next phase - he was a Clinton operative who infiltrated his campaign.
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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby Playthegame » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:45 pm

Nunes announces he has confirmed, Trump admin intel collected and improperly distributed. No relation to FBI/Russia investigation. US citizens unmasked, big no no...

So Corrupt...people broke the law, what's new in Washington? Obama, Rice, Lynch, Clinton, Brazile/CNN they all lie and cheat, those are facts...no dispute. Guilty as can be. Not saying at all that politicians on both sides don't lie. Just that no one complains when the guilty are their own...Where is Schiff outrage now? Bug Eyes...Why so silent?
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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby seeinred » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:20 pm

Nunes was part of the Trump campaign too. Anyone find it curious that he took his intel and went running to the WH before bringing it to the rest of the intel committee (Schiff), especially in such a huge national investigation? Highly unethical and goes against his sworn impartiality to that committee.
By the way, all of you that are saying we are going to eat crow from this are still wrong. Nunes himself still said today that the Obama ordered wiretapping as Trump had claimed did not happen.
Trump is still a LIAR and today did not change that...

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby MDDad » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:05 pm

seeinred wrote:Trump is still a LIAR and today did not change that...

A liar in Washington? What a scoop. Surely he must be the first.

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby Playthegame » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:29 pm

seeinred wrote:N Nunes himself still said today that the Obama ordered wiretapping as Trump had claimed did not happen.
Trump is still a LIAR and today did not change that...


It's obvious that Obama did not literally order a wire tap...he did not have to, there were all ready surveillance ops in progress and he signed an executive order months ago opening up access to many government agencies and personnel. This is being widely reported thru out the news media.

So what difference does it make weather he ordered it or used it. Obama signed the EO, used the info via leakers and they leaked classified info, and unmasked US personnel that should have been protected and redacted.

How is this different than the Wikki leaks?

We should see certain prominent persons involved at high levels seeking asylum...soon.

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:36 pm

They "leaked" information to the President? Huh?
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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby Playthegame » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:55 pm

for...the President

Some folks like things spelled out for them...

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Re: Trump Russia Connection

Postby broman » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:26 pm

Taking back my thread....

"According to documents that we've reviewed, Paul Manafort secretly worked for a Russian oligarch who wanted him to promote Russian interests," the AP's Chad Day tells NPR's Rachel Martin. "And in particular, he wrote a memo that outlined this kind of vast plan for him to promote Russian interests in the former Soviet republics — and also to specifically benefit the Putin government."

The financial arrangement dates to at least 2006, when Manafort signed a $10 million yearly contract with Russian aluminum tycoon Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally, Day says. Their business relationship lasted through at least 2009, according to Day's story for the AP.
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