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A 14 yr. old Girl raped by Illegal Aliens

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A 14 yr. old Girl raped by Illegal Aliens

Postby Professor Fate » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:21 pm

An 18 year old illegal alien, and a 17 year old illegal alien raped and sodomized a 14 year old girl in Rockville HS in Montgomery County, Maryland. ICE identified Montgomery County as a "Sanctuary County."

The two illegals were supposedly freshmen at the high school. One is from Guatamala; the other is from El Salvador.

How wonderful that we allow poor illegal immigrants into our country and its high schools. Now who could ever have a problem with that?


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Postby seeinred » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:34 pm

Rape is horrific from legals, illegals, whites, blacks, greens, purples, old people, young people, males, females, unics, whatever.
Not sure anyone would disagree with that. It happens everywhere, in all walks of life, everyday, and it's disgusting (and every derogatory word you can think of).

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Re: A 14 yr. old Girl raped by Illegal Aliens

Postby Professor Fate » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:35 pm

seeinred wrote:by seeinred » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:34 pm

Rape is horrific from legals, illegals, whites, blacks, greens, purples, old people, young people, males, females, unics, whatever.


Right, and this one wouldn't have happened if they had been deported, or better still, kept out of the country in the first place.
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Re: A 14 yr. old Girl raped by Illegal Aliens

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:47 pm

And the gang rape broadcast on Facebook wouldn't have happened if the rapists hadn't been born here.

Sensational, but the numbers still say that illegals commit far fewer crimes than born and raised American citizens do. We're a much more violent society than most.
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Postby Fordama » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:57 am

If illegals only grabbed women by the *******, they could become President.
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Postby MDDad » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:05 am

To the issue of a 14-year-old girl being raped by two illegal aliens, JQP responds with, "Sensational, but the numbers still say that illegals commit far fewer crimes than born and raised American citizens do. We're a much more violent society than most."

To the issue of the recent terrorist attack in London, ShifytMutt responds with, "Americans cause far more carnage than terrorists."

I'm afraid I don't understand the point of the responses. At best, they are irrelevant deflections. At worst, they are some sort of perverse asinine justification.

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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:26 am

Very simple. There are arguments against having illegals in the country, but citing an isolated incident is just sensationalizing the issue. Not downplaying the crime, but two bad apples don't spoil the country's entire apple production.
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Postby MDDad » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:42 am

I still don't understand, John. There are also arguments against having cops on the force who harbor latent racism. Is citing every isolated incident of them hassling or shooting a black motorist then not also sensationalizing the issue? Not downplaying the crimes, but surely a few bad white cops don't spoil the country's entire white cop production.

Similarly, rapes committed by American citizens and legal residents don't reflect on those populations at large either. So in the interests of fairness to the large percentage of innocent, should we not report rapes at all?

When violent crimes are a result of failed policies or intentional lack of enforcement, don't you think it's worth reporting?

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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:03 am

"Not downplaying the crimes, but surely a few bad white cops don't spoil the country's entire white cop production."

Nobody ever said they did. Just the same as these two guys don't reflect on the entire population of illegals.

Maybe they should have picked a 14 year-old illegal alien. According to police chiefs, the chances are getting pretty good she won't report it.
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Postby MDDad » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:19 am

JQP wrote:Nobody ever said they did. Just the same as these two guys don't reflect on the entire population of illegals.

Exactly my point. You seem to think the incidents of rape by illegal aliens should go unreported (or unsensationalized) because they don't reflect the actions of the majority of illegal aliens. Do you feel the same way about incidents of white cops shooting black motorists? Or should the tragic results of failures of public policy and refusal to enforce federal law see the light of day?

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Postby ShiftyMutt » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:32 am

MDDad wrote: So in the interests of fairness to the large percentage of innocent, should we not report rapes at all?

When violent crimes are a result of failed policies or intentional lack of enforcement, don't you think it's worth reporting?


I cringe to think how many rapes go unreported because of fear of relaliation and/or not being believed. Whichever way you look at it, victims either way.

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Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:53 pm

MDDad wrote:You seem to think the incidents of rape by illegal aliens should go unreported (or unsensationalized) because they don't reflect the actions of the majority of illegal aliens.

He didn't say anything of the kind, read it again without any preconceived notions of how all liberals supposedly think.

If we ban all Muslims or Mexicans or immigrants or refugees because of the actions of a few, shouldn't we also "ban" all cops because of the actions of a few?
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Postby itsmyopinionx » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:14 pm

It's so funny that you argue that there are more crimes committed by legals than illegals. That's not the point. The point in this case is "if the illegal immigrant wasn't here illegally, then this particular crime would not have been committed". That's all anyone is trying to say.

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Postby Omar Bongo » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:23 pm

I'm gonna use that argument for guns
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Postby John Q. Public » Sat May 06, 2017 5:19 am

Professor Fate wrote:An 18 year old illegal alien, and a 17 year old illegal alien raped and sodomized a 14 year old girl in Rockville HS in Montgomery County, Maryland.

For the record, charges have been dropped. Text message, surveillance video and medical evidence point to any contact being consensual. Statutory rape charges don't apply, since Maryland's law requires a full four years difference in ages, which there isn't. However, there could be an issue with releasing the 17 year-old's name.

Oh. And neither kid was illegal.
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Postby not4u13 » Sat May 06, 2017 5:54 am

Why do we argue? Sometimes it is over small nuances in our perspective. This is one of them.
Regardless of whether or not this particular crime was ever committed (JQP's post above suggests it was not), it's worthy of discussion.
1) Everyone agrees that rape is a horrific crime that should never be marginalized.
2) We all agree that violent criminal illegal aliens should be deported, although if they commit a rape here, I think they should be castrated first. Without anesthesia.

What is at issue here is the motivation. My concern is why we are using these crimes for political purposes. We know the issue of illegal immigration is political. When we make a big deal out of a rape that was committed by an illegal alien, the focus is not on the rape, but on the fact that they were illegal aliens. While there is not intent to marginalize the victims, that's exactly what's happening. The issue becomes about illegal aliens and not the rape. If we really cared about rape victims, we'd talk about all rape victims and we'd be focusing on that.

The argument that the rape never would have been committed were it not for failed policy, that's overly simplistic. I believe it is actually a common logical fallacy. The same type of argument is used about gun violence (as Omar pointed out) and it is no more valid there than it is with illegal immigration and rape.
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Postby Professor Fate » Sat May 06, 2017 11:26 am

John Q. Public wrote:by John Q. Public » Sat May 06, 2017 7:19 am
For the record, charges have been dropped. Text message, surveillance video and medical evidence point to any contact being consensual. Statutory rape charges don't apply, since Maryland's law requires a full four years difference in ages, which there isn't. However, there could be an issue with releasing the 17 year-old's name.

Oh. And neither kid was illegal.
Charges were dropped, because they couldn't make the case stick. There will be/have been child pornography charges.

And where did you get the idea they weren't illegals. One is from Guatemala, and the other from El Salvador. They were among tens of thousands of young people who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border illegally in 2016. Each was apprehended by federal border agents and targeted for deportation proceedings. Dumb policy under the Obama Administration's "catch and release" practice. Evidently, those deportation proceedings were never scheduled.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed Friday that they are still pursuing Henry Sanchez Milian’s deportation to Guatemala, ICE spokesman Matthew Bourke said. Sanchez Milian is not yet in federal custody, but the agency has issued a detainer asking local authorities to ensure he is transferred to its custody. The detainer will be honored according to Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett. They won't discuss the other suspect because he is a minor, even though he is charged as an adult.

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Postby John Q. Public » Sat May 06, 2017 11:58 am

The kids were detained at the border and released to live with relatives. That makes them not illegal. Deportable, sure, but not illegal.

Child pornography charges could be interesting, since they'd just about have to also charge the "victim"/photographer.
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Postby Professor Fate » Sat May 06, 2017 12:18 pm

John Q. Public wrote:by John Q. Public » Sat May 06, 2017 1:58 pm

The kids were detained at the border and released to live with relatives. That makes them not illegal. Deportable, sure, but not illegal.

It's just semantics, but come on. They crossed the border illegally. That makes them illegals. They were supposed to be targeted for deportation proceedings because why? Because they crossed the border illegally, that makes them illegals. Obama's stupid policy let them await deportation hearings inside the US. The Trump policy, thank God, makes them wait outside the US for a hearing.
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Postby Fordama » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:19 am

Professor Fate wrote:An 18 year old illegal alien, and a 17 year old illegal alien raped and sodomized a 14 year old girl in Rockville HS in Montgomery County, Maryland. ICE identified Montgomery County as a "Sanctuary County."

The two illegals were supposedly freshmen at the high school. One is from Guatamala; the other is from El Salvador.

How wonderful that we allow poor illegal immigrants into our country and its high schools. Now who could ever have a problem with that?

You might not be from this country, professor, as here in America the phrase is "an 18 year old illegal alien, and a 17 year old illegal alien allegedly raped..."

We do that because.....they apparently did no such thing.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html

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