Pick a Syrian Policy

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Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby broman » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:56 pm

Appearing next to Jordan’s King Abdullah II at the White House, Trump said Assad must be held accountable for a chemical weapons attack this week in a pro-rebel area that reportedly killed dozens of people, many of them children. U.S. officials believe the Assad regime is likely behind the attack, which bore the hallmarks of nerve gas, though Damascus has denied responsibility.

Asked whether the attack violated a “red line” for him, Trump said that it “crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line.”

Trump would not specify what kind of response he would deliver to Syria’s government. “You will see. They will have a message. You will see what the message is,” he said.

But after calling the attack “an affront to humanity,” Trump suggested he was reconsidering his view that the United States should not work to remove Assad from power. “My attitude towards Syria and Assad has changed very much,” he said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/t ... ine-236933

Syria-watchers, including members of the United States Senate, reacted critically to statements by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley about the Trump administration’s position on the status of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

In Ankara on March 30, Tillerson commented that Assad’s long-term status “will be decided by the Syrian people.” On the same day, in New York, Haley stated “our priority is no longer to sit there and focus on getting Assad out.”
http://www.newsweek.com/are-trump-and-t ... ook-578571

Let's not forget

“The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement,” Trump tweeted in September 2013, referring to Obama’s declaration the year before that Assad’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line” and trigger punitive U.S. action.

“Do NOT attack Syria, fix U.S.A.,”

but

Today's chemical attack in Syria against innocent people including women and children is reprehensible and cannot be ignored by the civilized world," Spicer said. "These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution."

--:-- Syria, Shiites, Iran, Sunnis, ISIS and Russia. One hell of a party. Is Trump ready?
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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby broman » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:57 pm

Russia denied on Wednesday that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was to blame for a poison gas attack and said it would continue to back him, setting the Kremlin on course for its biggest diplomatic collision yet with Donald Trump’s White House.

Washington said it believed the deaths were caused by sarin nerve gas dropped by Syrian aircraft. But Moscow offered an alternative explanation that would shield Assad: that the poison gas belonged to rebels and had leaked from an insurgent weapons depot hit by Syrian bombs.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/syr ... 5ivji3sor&

Oh my.

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Professor Fate » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:22 pm

Honestly, that makes more sense.

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:21 am

Really? How many rebel gas attacks have been documented in the previous 6 years?

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Postby Tommy Tar » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:08 am

More and more people are saying the gas attack never happened.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ju ... ns-attack/

Merely hours after the alleged chemical weapons attack in Khan Sheikhun, supposedly by the Syrian government, holes are beginning to emerge from opposition sources, discrediting the Al-Qaeda affiliated White Helmets claims.

For one, seen in the above picture, the White Helmets are handling the corpses of people without sufficient safety gear, most particularly with the masks mostly used , as well as no gloves. Although this may seem insignificant, understanding the nature of sarin gas that the opposition claim was used, only opens questions.

Within seconds of exposure to sarin, the affects of the gas begins to target the muscle and nervous system. There is an almost immediate release of the bowels and the bladder, and vomiting is induced. When sarin is used in a concentrated area, it has the likelihood of killing thousands of people. Yet, such a dangerous gas, and the White Helmets are treating bodies with little concern to their exposed skin. This has to raise questions.
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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Professor Fate » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:43 am

Omar Bongo wrote:Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:21 am

Really? How many rebel gas attacks have been documented in the previous 6 years?


Omar, there were reports of a gas attack on US troops in Iraq just 6 months ago. It's not impossible that they could have moved some into Syria.

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archiv ... aq/501347/

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Playthegame » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:26 pm

Tillerson announced US will lead a NATO coalition to remove Assad...it's about time and we will definitely need the help to stand up to Putin. He is not going to back down, unless he faces a real threat and we can no longer be the enforcing power for good...

My fear is we do not have the resources to do the job...very, very sad situation as many more deaths to come...

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby broman » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:42 pm

Links PTG, links.

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Playthegame » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:51 pm

Dude, turn on your computer :giggle: it is breaking as of today

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby broman » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:58 pm

Provide the link.... sources matter. Is that a qoute or a summary of a statement?

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Playthegame » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:20 pm

Truth matters Broman...don't be lazy, press a button the truth is on now...

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Playthegame » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:23 pm

For my Bro..ther, 50 minutes ago.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Thursday that steps are "underway" to organize an "international community effort" to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad, a major policy shift triggered by the latest chemical weapons attack in the country's ongoing civil war.

"With the acts that he has taken, it would seem that there would be no roll for him to govern the Syrian people," Tillerson told reporters. "The process by which Assad would leave is something that I think requires and international community effort, both to first defeat ISIS within Syria, to stabilize the Syrian country to avoid further civil war, and then to work collectively with our partners around the world through a political process that would lead to Assad leaving."

Rex Tillerson: US organizing coalition to remove Syria's Assad

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:27 pm

Tommy Tar wrote:Arabs are liars. Always remember that.

Racists are ignorant. Always remember that.
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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Playthegame » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:30 pm

Indeed...

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:39 pm

Prof.
Are you aware that your link was about one shell with traces of mustard gas?
The Syrian agent was sarin...

Google Occam's Razor...
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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:37 pm

Well, here we go

Trump launches cruise missles at government targets

I'm sure this has nothing to do with diverting attention and building up his abysmal approval numbers
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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:44 pm

Trump after the first gas attacks in Syria:

In more than a dozen messages on Twitter in 2013 and 2014, Mr. Trump repeated his advice, emphatically stating that “Syria is NOT our problem,” appealing directly to Mr. Obama to “not attack Syria” as “there is no upside and tremendous downside” and telling him to “stay out of Syria.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/politics/fact-check-trump-syria-obama.html?_r=0

I wonder what changed... :-k
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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby broman » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:02 pm

Hopefully, this is a part of a larger strategy that brings an end to this conflict one way or another. Hopefully? 8-[

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby Professor Fate » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:12 pm

Omar,

You are correct about the Mustard gas...I stand corrected.

Now as to what changed, that seems obvious. The left is constantly trying to depict Trump as stupid. Assad makes him look like a genius. How stupid do you have to be in order to go from seeing things all going your way, to then making a boneheaded move like that one (the chemical attack) inviting this retaliation by the USA.

I agreed with Trump's earlier thoughts on Syria. There are no good guys to side with. Safe zones should have been established and protected and that's all. But the chemical attack forced the change in Trump's policy.

By the way, if Trump is anti Muslim, why did the photos of dead Muslim children matter to him?

At any rate, Trump handled this perfectly IMHO. He consulted with Arab leaders and got their support I believe. Obama drew a red line and then backed down. With this measured response, the President sent a message, not just to Syria, but to Iran, N. Korea, Russia, and China. The message? Trump is not Obama. When he says he'll act in a certain way, you best believe him.

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Re: Pick a Syrian Policy

Postby ShiftyMutt » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:47 pm

Omar Bongo wrote:Well, here we go

Trump launches cruise missles at government targets

I'm sure this has nothing to do with diverting attention and building up his abysmal approval numbers


Spot-on

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Now that Obama's poll numbers are in a tailspin - watch for him to launch a strike against Libya or Iran. He is desperate.
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