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The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

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The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

Postby Fridayisgameday » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:05 pm

Once a dominant program in a great ANGELUS LEAGUE , with Mater DEI , Servite , Loyola , Bishop Amat.
St. Paul is now in Div 6 , and loosing to public school programs Montebello and LosAltos high the last 2 weeks . Montebello high who is coached by Pete Gonzalez , the last coach at St. Paul to win a championship, 2007.
When will St.Paul realize , that its time to make changes and go away from hiring coaches either alumni or with ties to the school.
Whats it tell your program , when alumni that where great football players are sending there kids to there once hated rivalry schools...



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Postby Omar Bongo » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:13 pm

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Re: The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

Postby Professor Fate » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:59 pm

I think Rick Zepeda is doing a good job there, but there is only so much you can do with 557 students, half of which are girls.
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Postby Luca » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:49 pm

Loyola was never in the Angelus League. Pius X was. Wasn't it a six team League? Who are we missing?

Looked it up ........St. Anthony
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Postby Omar Bongo » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:51 pm

In my day it was

Bishop Amat
Mater Dei
Pius X
Servite
St. Anthony
St. Paul
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Postby sammy swordsman » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:09 pm

They have good facilities and the public schools nearby (La Mirada, La Habra,) have had success. There should also be some good players that would sit at Bosco, that would come over. I think the problem is they don't have the feeder system that they used to have from the 8-10 area parishes. These kids are going to public schools, or Servite, Amat, SJB, Serra. The good football kids are still in the area, just need a reason to go to St. Paul.

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Postby Professor Fate » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:23 pm

Luca wrote:by Luca » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:49 pm

Loyola was never in the Angelus League. Pius X was. Wasn't it a six team League? Who are we missing?

Looked it up ........St. Anthony

Several other teams had brief appearances in the Angelus League: Cantwell, Salesian, Verbum Dei and St. John Bosco*, in the '60s, Bishop Montgomery in the '70s and '80s, Serra and St. Bernard in the '80s, and, yes, Loyola in '90 (3rd place), and '91 (Tri-Champs).

*Bosco also had a 2nd stint in '90, and '91.
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Postby Johnny Utah » Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:53 am

Good article on it.
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Postby MDDad » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:20 am

It's nice to see there are still so many people who remember the Angelus League so fondly. I came across this about two years ago and thought I'd share it for old time's sake. Numbers in red are league records.

ALL TIME ANGELUS LEAGUE RECORDS (1961-1991)
Mater Dei -- 31 years in league / 7 league championships / 90-50-3 /.629
Servite -- 31 / 7 / 87-52-4 / .608
St. Paul -- 29 / 13 / 96-35-4 / .711
Bishop Amat -- 24 / 10 / 79-32-2 / .699
Pius X -- 16 / 0 / 15-63-1 / .190
Bishop Montgomery -- 10 / 0 / 6-40-0 / .130
St. Anthony -- 9 / 0 / 4-40-1 / .089
Cantwell-Sacred Heart -- 7 / 0 / 8-21-1 / .267
St. John Bosco -- 4 / 0 / 3-15-0 / .167
Salesian -- 4 / 0 / 1-15-0 / .063
Verbum Dei -- 3 / 0 / 2-12-0 / .143
Loyola -- 2 / 1 / 5-3-0 / .625
Gardena Serra -- 2 / 0 / 1-9-0 / .100
St. Bernard -- 2 / 0 / 0-10-0 / .000

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Re: The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

Postby TheFan » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:34 am

St Paul...

During its day, they were around 1,300 kids. Marion who we all know had a formula and everyone drank the Yugo's cool aid....They got some really good kids. There were the desired parochial HS in the area, and gave very few discounts...(times have changed) . 95% of the kids came from the local parochial schools. They did a really good job of getting kids from Downey, Whittier, LM, Sante Fe, etc....The SE LA area demographics have impacted St. Paul the most, as white flight occurred in the area in the late 80's...that is a whole other social discussion and the impacts of prop 13. St. Paul never made the leap like Bosco or MD....

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Re: The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

Postby John Q. Public » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:51 am

Almost related -

Did Bosco Tech (Rosemead) ever have much of a football program? I remember hearing the name a lot when I was in HS but it might have been for track. I hear they're very big in soccer now. Play what the neighborhood plays, I guess.
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Re: The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

Postby Sixth Man » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:13 am

St. Paul's facilities are garbage. I don't know what you guys are talking about. They have very tough kids with a great deal of skill. However, their facilities are nowhere close to MD or Serra. They could be comparable to Servite and Orange Lu if they put about $15-20 million into the existing school. But, right now they have less to offer than many public schools.

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Postby TheFan » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:15 am

BT ... never had a relevant program...

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Postby TheFan » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:16 am

I agree "the Pit" is a good name for their stadium..

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Re: The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

Postby MDDad » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:53 am

Don Bosco Tech has had a very good cross country program for the last two decades, but the other sports have been mediocre to poor.

The Pit is no long "The Pit". It's been upgraded and is now a nice high school football stadium. By default, it would be the best on-campus stadium in the Trinity League, until St. John Bosco completes their new facility. It's the rest of the St. Paul campus and athletic facilities that need improvement in order to be competitive.

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Postby sammy swordsman » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:12 am

The Pit belongs to the ages. It is no more. The visitor seating has been removed (due to not being able to place bleachers on the Synthetic track). Now everyone sits on the same side. Sad

Look at 2:14 of this video of the 1981 SP vs Amat league championship overtime game. The fans were on the field (50 yard line) during the overtime. Literllay lined up on the 50 from the Amat side to the SP side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83INzHSv7CQ

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Postby Omar Bongo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:43 pm

I don't know how many games the 1972 CIF championship team lost (if any), but I remember well being at the game at the Santa Ana Bowl when they squeaked past MD 7-6...great game
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Postby scj60 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:04 pm

Sammy is absolutely right. They don't have the feeder system they use to have. Also the success of local programs like La Serna, La Mirada and La Habra have also siphoned off kids they use to get.

I'm perplexed by this years team. They got a bunch or transfers from SJB, Cathedral and several other schools that are all starting and have helped them. Is it the coaching?

They may never be a D1 or even D2 program ever again but they could settle in as D5-D6 team and have success at those levels.

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Postby Luca » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:10 pm

I remember watching that 1981 team from the sidelines. I think they went 14-0 that year.

I was amazed because they did not look that talented, they didn't have any significant size. They weren't particularly fast. But they were amazingly organized and disciplined. I don't think I saw one penalty on them all night.

They looked like a bunch of clones moving synchronously. With that monochromatic St. Paul white uniform and robotic precision they were actually pretty boring to watch but it was fascinating nonetheless..............Luca

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Re: The demise of a once great program , "ST.PAUL".

Postby sammy swordsman » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:02 pm

SCJ60 the problem with this years team is that the DB's cant tackle. Simple as that.

Omar - The '72 team was 13-0. That MD game and the '79 game (7-3) were nailbiters, as were most of the Angeles league games vs Servite too.

Luca - Watching a SP vs Loyola game featured 115 running plays, 5 passes and 4 incompletions. 6 personal fouls

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