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Re: Black players protest

Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:33 am

Bick wrote:How about the ratings loss? Unrelated or just made up stuff?

Trying to make my point for me? Like I said, the owners are afraid of Trump singling them out and costing them money by calling for boycotts.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Bick » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:58 am

Omar Bongo wrote:Source of the post Indeed. Like I said, the owners are afraid of Trump singling them out and costing them money by calling for boycotts.


I appreciate you ratcheting down from the pre-edited post.

The boycott from NFL fans over this issue started well before Trump stuck his nose in it. Just don't think Trump would have much of an incremental effect. In fact, I'd argue that if he singled out any particular team for boycott that signed Kap, it might have the opposite effect within his base. Republicans seem to have a real problem being told what to do, what to think, what they need to tolerate, etc.

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Re: Black players protest

Postby Omar Bongo » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:07 am

What did I "ratchet down"?

I appreciate you dropping the diversion and basically agreeing with what I said.

As you know it doesn't matter a whit when it started, and it's obvious to the honest observer that they do indeed fear his threats to destroy their business for his own craven political purposes. He's been very clear about it, as I quoted above.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:45 am

Bick wrote:Source of the post The boycott from NFL fans over this issue started well before Trump stuck his nose in it. Just don't think Trump would have much of an incremental effect.

It's hard to know when the falloff started without seeing the teams' books or poring over old news stories and tweets but I don't remember that much outrage until Trump started tweeting about it. Seems like it was only a week or two before he was calling for them to be fired. I think this year's attendance was down to start with, wasn't it?
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Bick » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:53 am

I must've been unclear. I don't agree with you at all on this.

To estimate any incremental impact, you'd evaluate what's already taken place. The fallout over this protest issue preceded Trump's involvement.

There's no evidence I've seen to support your claim owners are overly concerned with what he says.

"they fear his threats to destroy their business for his own craven political purposes." How scary!

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Re: Black players protest

Postby Bick » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:04 am

John Q. Public wrote:Source of the post It's hard to know when the falloff started without seeing the teams' books or poring over old news stories and tweets but I don't remember that much outrage until Trump started tweeting about it.


He started with the pig socks and protests at the beginning of the 2016 season saying "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color". Other players followed suit, and sponsors started dropping on those players.

Trump "firing" tweet was a month into the 2017 season. There was plenty of backlash prior to then. I don't know with any certainty, but don't recall him saying anything about a specific player or team.

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Re: Black players protest

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:33 am

No time today but I looked up some attendance numbers - which weren't any help, since the NFL bases attendance on ticket sales and not butts in the seats. But 2016 sales were up over 2015's and 2017's were only down half a million over all teams - maybe 3%. --:--
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Wabash » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:38 am

Given the price of tickets and concessions I doubt the owners suffered any loss in revenue.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Vilepagan » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:47 am

Perhaps the ticket price and the price of concessions had something to do with the drop-off in attendance.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:18 am

Have the prices gone up significantly in the last year or two? I've been priced out, but if $100 for a cheap seat fills the stadium (under normal conditions) that's what the price should be. Adjusting them for the current situation would sell more tickets but they can't lower them too much or they'll have a backlash when they go back up. Pricing can sound simple but it isn't.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:25 am

And tickets are pre-sold months in advance, so it ain't that simple.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Bick » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:39 am

Attendance is tracked by season tickets / giveaways v. butts in seats. The photo I posted of the SF/LA game had an announced crowd of 70k. That photo was taken in the early 2nd qtr.

I think viewership is a better barometer. Trend was up prior to 2016.

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Re: Black players protest

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:04 am

Yeah, TV viewership is probably a better gauge. But you also have the brain injury issue, which has affected interest at all levels of football, so it would be down some regardless. The real effect is going to be pretty hard to measure.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Professor Fate » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:17 am

Omar Bongo wrote:Source of the post Like I said, the owners are afraid of Trump singling them out and costing them money by calling for boycotts.

So? If you're trying to make a case for Trump colluding with the owners, sorry, I seriously doubt that fits the description.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Bick » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:51 am

John Q. Public wrote:Source of the post Yeah, TV viewership is probably a better gauge. But you also have the brain injury issue, which has affected interest at all levels of football, so it would be down some regardless. The real effect is going to be pretty hard to measure.


Seems like injuries aren't having a measurable effect on viewership. Makes sense given our passion for car chases and train wrecks.

Football's dangers and drawbacks have not turned away younger fans poised to become the NFL's core fan base. Among Americans between ages 18 and 29, 61 percent say they are football fans, roughly the same as the public overall. Furthermore, adults under age 30 are the most likely demographic to say their interest in football has increased, at 41 percent.

Poll results indicated professional football fans recognize the danger the sport poses to its players but have chosen to watch anyway.


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Re: Black players protest

Postby Wabash » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:30 pm

The game is freaking boring.

It takes four hours to see ten minutes of action.

Attending a game is expensive.

I bet those factors are a greater cause of declining interest.
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Re: Black players protest

Postby Bick » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:21 pm

Which of those 3 factors were introduced between 2015 and 2016 to change the upward trend in TV viewership to a declining trend?

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Re: Black players protest

Postby Bick » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:33 pm

Here's the average length of a football game for the past 17 years. 3 hrs 4 minutes to 3 hrs 9 minutes in that span. Actually declined slightly from 2016 to 2015.

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Re: Black players protest

Postby Wabash » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:45 pm

Don't know. Don't care. Stopped watching the NFL when that woman (who we don't mention in polite company) moved the Rams to St. Louis.

I only watch the Super Bowl. And that is for the party. Couldn't tell you who won last year.
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