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So much for Blue Lives Matter.

Omar Bongo wrote:

My name...Jose Jimenez.

What has Dana's opponent lied about?

The NYT is reporting: Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein seriously considered wearing a wire to record Trump, so as to convince cabinet members that it was time to consider invoking the 25th Amendment, which allows the vice president and a majority of the cabinet to declare that the president is unfit to serv...

John Q. Public wrote:Isn't there a point where members of his party should call his attacks on the Justice Department un-American?

Nope. Many of those folks have believed for a long time that liberals run the DOJ.

I guess Luca isn't going to tell why Lee believed VA needed defending or why?...….Wabash

In OC an absentee ballot will get delivered with postage paid by the registrar.

That's why I asked Luca.

The tyranny that wouldn't let them own slaves.

Luca wrote:Qr Bbpost It does appear hypocritical, but like many if not most Southerners he saw himself as defending Virginia, not slavery.

Defending VA from what exactly?

Luca, you are trying to debate quantum physics with a first grader. Is it really worth the effort? Actually we are debating American History and human decency. You seem determined to deflect from both of those. Both of you are determined to justify one of the most abhorrent institutions and someone...

I don't care about his motivation. His moral opposition is overridden by his actions of fighting to maintain the status quo. What was the only policy in Virginia that needed defending? As opposed to the states in the Union? Sometimes being a leader means having to make a difficult or unpopular decis...

Huh?

His actions don't support his statements.....Wabash

I believe his stature would have been diminished.

Which would have prevented him from taking a position in opposition.

Despite Luca's claims of his integrity.

He chose self interest over country.

Let me ask this question to clarify.

If Lee had taken a strong position against slavery, would that have enhanced or diminished his stature in the social circles in Southern aristocracy?

584372 Wabash, in the aristocratic circles of Southern society to which Robert E Lee belonged in the antebellum South (to say nothing of during the Civil War itself), expressing a moral opposition to slavery would not serve to "maintain his position." Quite the opposite, for obvious reaso...

That is true. He stated he wanted nothing to do with the CSA after the war. He never wore the uniform again. And demanded it not be worn in his presence.

And....He supported the Democrat that ran against Grant.

584366 Wabash. It was not a rhetorical question. Why would Lee have lied thusly? You are the one claiming he did not believe what he said he believed. How did you come to that conclusion? So he could maintain his position in the social order. That matters to people in those types of circles. To par...

Why would someone noted for his integrity lie in such a fashion? Is this a rhetorical question? 584362 then it is contradictory that you do not denigrate slave holders Washington or Jefferson, especially while showing such unflinching support for the current Slave Party of the 1800's,for which you ...