President Obama Will Announce His Immigration Plan Tonight

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You tend to use western European physical characteristics as the group which all other groups are measured against....all other varieties of human beings are measured according to those standards...at least your writing suggests such a thing, and most non-white non-western European looking are beneath those standards.

My point was that all flavors of children weren't a heck of a lot different from each other in terms of performance and behavior.

So, your husband had brown eyes.
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BreveBookeBMacJNodOubt: I am fully aware that the law uses the term "illegal alien." Just because that is a legal term doesn't make it right. Why do you want to dehumanize people who are just like you and me except for circumstance of birth?
This brings up a broader question: Just because I am a lawyer, why would you think I know every law on the book, both federal and state? Immigration law was not a law school class and I don't practice it. I don't practice criminal law either and know very little about that area as well. Am I to be charged with knowing every law, every case, every regulation?
I think the real troublemaker here is somebody who advocates deporting every Muslim (whether a citizen or not), razing every mosque, yet jumps into bed with Hamas when that fits her agenda to criticize the president. How sad. :(
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Yes, brown eyes, white skin and black hair. What a mixture in one family don't you think. We are all different.

My point is that bringing skin color into a discussion about illegal immigration is a guarantee that the bringer upper's point of view is bankrupt. It's unseemly and everybody knows it. [-X

BTW, with all those ethnicities in your neighborhood you left out the most obvious: as in the one who commits illegal immigration in far greater numbers than any other - Mexicans. Why did you do that? lol
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What was your classroom management style Parrotpaul?
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I demanded scholarship, maturity, residency, and timeliness. In return I provided a well-presented subject matter curriculum with rigorous assignments designed to challenge students and give them examples of fine writing and fine reading and a chance to share and interact with others during classroom discussions and group projects.

My sense of humor, my innate intellectual curiosity and gifts, and my rugged good looks helped to ensure my classes had waiting lists.
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RP wrote; "I am fully aware that the law uses the term "illegal alien." Just because that is a legal term doesn't make it right. Why do you want to dehumanize people who are just like you and me except for circumstance of birth?"

The term illegal alien has nothing to do with the circumstances of their birth, but it does have to do with their presence in a country they have no legal right to be in... Once you get over that hurdle maybe we can get down to a logical discussion about terminology.. :wink:

BTW Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "Reconquista Primero" mean reconquer first??
That would speak loudly of your loyalties and intentions... :wink:
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Institutionalized hate is still hate. :(
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Paul wrote; "I demanded scholarship, maturity, residency, and timeliness. In return I provided a well-presented subject matter curriculum. My sense of humor, my innate intellectual curiosity and gifts, and my rugged good looks helped to ensure my classes had waiting lists."

Paul, once you get through patting yourself on the back :lol: maybe we could get down to the realities of what goes on in a classroom and how that relates to the discussion at hand... :wink:
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RP wrote; "Institutionalized hate is still hate. :(
My screen name speaks of one thing only: My screen name."

What makes you think it is "institutionalized" or "hate"?
From the debate it appears to be far from institutionalized. There has been more pro than anti so far, except from a few.
Hate is way too strong a word to be used here.. More like dismay, concern, or even dislike..

As for your screen name... Kinda like a halloween mask. Pretending to be what you wish you were...
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Reconquista Prim: BreveBookeBMacJNodOubt: I am fully aware that the law uses the term "illegal alien." Just because that is a legal term doesn't make it right. Why do you want to dehumanize people who are just like you and me except for circumstance of birth?
Speaking of dehumanizing people, why do you hypocritically mock my user name which is Brooke?

The term illegal alien is exactly right. It is an alien who was not born in the U.S. who is on American soil without permission. They are not like me at all. I have respect for the rule of law and our system of government which is based on the rule of law. Logic tell us that it is weird that a lawyer has no respect for the law and attempts to make foreign criminals in the U.S. as sympathetic figures. But then, so much of what happens in this country is strange and weird from those with not even a pretense of logic or wisdom behind it, especially for themselves and their own children and families. Only childish demands that it be so even though it inexplicably harms their own county and its citizens, including their loved ones. :bonk:

What kind of slant is that MDDad?
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Parrotpaul: I demanded scholarship, maturity, residency, and timeliness. In return I provided a well-presented subject matter curriculum with rigorous assignments designed to challenge students and give them examples of fine writing and fine reading and a chance to share and interact with others during classroom discussions and group projects.
I gather that you ran a tight ship in your classrooms. Yet, you inexplicably don't hold the same standards for your own country and the rule of law. Hypocritical don't you think?

Your little classroom held high standards, but when it comes to your own government whose mission it is to keep Americans safe you advocate lawlessness, chaos and disrespect. How do you explain that?
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Bite me. I'm tired of explaining things to you. Talk about slow learners.
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BTW, I know very well that my repetition regarding the Rule of Law, that the government of the USA is based on the rule of law, etc., gets tedious, but I have no choice but to continue repeating them until those who advocate for illegal aliens and the dismantling of our system of government for millions of criminal foreign nationals acknowledge those basic facts and give explanations as to why they refuse to respect and obey the tenets of our country.

So for those who have complained about my constant banging the same drum why don't you think about holding those that advocate dismantling The Constitution and support a lying president accountable for their treasonous beliefs or at least demand an explanation for why they hold those beliefs when they make no sense at all.

Is this the first time in history that supposedly law abiding citizens advocate, encourage, and cheer on foreign criminals for and to tear their country apart? Why do you let them get away with it? If their illogical positions had been challenged in the first place they would have never gotten this far with their BS. But I suppose, political correctness had a heavy hand on everybody and was the latest fad to sweep the country and they got away with it. Now, look at the mess we are in.
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Oh dear, it looks like Parrotpaul boxed himself in again.

Why can't you explain the incongruity of your beliefs Parrotpaul? How many times do I have to chase you down and demand an explanation?

I would happily accept your beliefs if they made sense, but they don't. Which is why I continue to pressure you, which is also why you don't like me. If you are going to air your beliefs on a public forum then you must expect to be challenged when your beliefs are destructive to your country and fellow Americans,

You do realize that if your beliefs were to come true and foreigners were allowed to overrun this country there would not be any classrooms where a learning atmosphere existed? We have a government that is supposed to protect us so that we can go about our business in safety. It makes no sense whatsoever to promote anarchy, which is what you advocate.
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CHE RULES!!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!! ONE WORLD!!!! BADGES??? I DON' NEED NO STINKING BADGES!!!

Bev...you really need to find a hobby, and I'm not it.
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Brooke wrote:What kind of slant is that MDDad?
Brooke, I have no idea what this means or why it was directed at me.

Regarding Reconqueso Primero's semantics games with the terms illegal, unpapered, undocumented, aliens and immigrants, I would only add that immigrating to America is a legal process. Those who subvert or circumvent that process are no more immigrants than vigilantes are undocumented police officers.

And I must say, RP, that for someone who claims to be an attorney, the number of legal subjects about which you don't seem to have even a passing knowledge is a little disconcerting.
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MDDad: I'm genuinely puzzled about why I am expected to have a passing knowledge of every law, case and regulation, both federal and state. I have specialized in one area of civil litigation for 20+ years. I don't practice in other areas and have no interest in them. I have some experience with criminal law viz the UCMJ, but that was a very long time ago and I haven't practiced criminal law outside of the relatively low level cases I encountered in the Navy.
If you came to me wanting representation in a case outside of my specialty, I have an obligation under the Rules of Professional Responsibility to not take the case. If you insisted, then I would, under the Rules of Professional Responsibility, associate in a specialist in that field and you would have to pay for two lawyers, which doesn't make sense, but so long as you know that and want to proceed in that fashion, I would do so.
I guess I could ease your discomfort by gaining some passing knowledge of certain areas. Which areas do you want me to look into? :wink:
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Parrotpaul: Bite me. I'm tired of explaining things to you. Talk about slow learners.
[-X No Parrotpaul, the problem is that you have not explained anything. You are disrespecting the folks by trying to convince them otherwise?
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You don't understand, Brooke...you read words much differently from the rest of us. There isn't much we can do about that.
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BS Parrotpaul.

Hello!

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