Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

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Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:59 am

Bick wrote: 6 of the 500 companies he owns filed for bankruptcy in 40 years, or just north of 1% of his business ventures failed. While I understand liberals like you bat 100% on the businesses you've owned...
Since none of his financial records are public we really have no idea of the levels of his success or failure.
Bick wrote:some of us non-liberal types weren't able to find the money printing machine, and were held accountable with a failed business.
Too bad you weren't a member of the lucky sperm club like Trump. You'd be **** in the tall cotton if you were.
Bick wrote:But if you really want to punish presidents for their business bankruptcies, I guess you'll be starting that petition to demo the Lincoln Monument and find a suitable replacement for the photo on the $50 bill. Obama already got a head start on you with Denali.
Huh?
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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Omar Bongo » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:30 am

Bick wrote:some of us non-liberal types weren't able to find the money printing machine
Blame it on genetics

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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:21 am

The UK Independent is reporting that Trump claims that he 'never meant' Mexico would directly pay for border wall.

Despite his saying it repeatedly at his idiot campaign rallies.
Donald Trump has claimed that despite his repeated promises that Mexico would pay for a wall on US southern border he "obviously never meant Mexico would write a cheque".

Mr Trump has repeatedly promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, with the website for his 2016 campaign having previously claimed that Mexico would make a "one-off" payment of "$5-$10 billion".

That promise was also included in a ‘Pay for the Wall’ memo Mr Trump’s team issued in early 2016 which proposed pressuring Mexico by cutting off remittances from undocumented Mexicans in the United States. It proposed amending the Patriot Act, passed after the September 11, 2001 attacks, to include wire transfers as accounts that could be frozen.
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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Bick » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:28 am

Omar Bongo wrote: Almost 4 years, and how much is "enough", anyway? And you keep ignoring his almost 8 year tenure in the Illinois Senate. So that's almost 12 years of government office-holder experience, while Trump had zero.
My original point was neither Trump nor Obama had nearly the experience of the prior presidents since Eisenhower, and because of it, were not qualified to be POTUS. You keep pointing to his state senate experience as some key feather in his cap. He never had the full accountability of a state governor, and didn't complete a single term at the federal level. Being the chairman of one of the seven 10-member foreign relations subcommittees for less than 2 years doesn't barely moves the needle in terms of requisite leadership experience as POTUS.

My concern is that the 2020 Democratic candidate will likely have less experience, given she's just completed her 2nd year as a US Senator, and doesn't chair anything.

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Post by Bick » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:38 am

John Q. Public wrote: Not that this has anything to do with "Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now" but so far our experiment with hiring a businessman to run a government has been a pretty dismal failure. The two might look similar but they aren't. I'd much rather have a president who understands government.
Well actually this is a side-bar of my point of the reason he's been unsuccessful in getting border security funding approved by congress, was that he lacked the experience in the public sector.

As to whether or not his tenure has been a dismal failure would depend on your perspective. Assuming a modicum of objectivity, If you were a recipient of one of the 300k+ jobs that were created last month on his watch, you might be a little less critical.

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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Bick » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:24 am

Wabash wrote:Since none of his financial records are public we really have no idea of the levels of his success or failure.


Too bad you weren't a member of the lucky sperm club like Trump. You'd be **** in the tall cotton if you were.


Huh?
1. Bankruptcies actually are a matter of public record.
6 Corporate Bankruptcies
Trump has filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy for his companies six times. Three of the casino bankruptcies came during the recession of the early 1990s and the Gulf War, both of which contributed to hard times in Atlantic City, New Jersey's gambling facilities. He also entered a Manhattan hotel and two casino holding companies into bankruptcy.

Chapter 11 bankruptcy allows companies to restructure or wipe away much of their debt to other companies, creditors, and shareholders while remaining in business but under the supervision of a bankruptcy court. Chapter 11 is often called "reorganization" because it allows the business to emerge from the process more efficient and on good terms with its creditors.

One point of clarification: Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy, only corporate bankruptcy related to his casinos in Atlantic City. “I have never gone bankrupt,” Trump has said.

Here is a look at the six Trump corporate bankruptcies. The details are a matter of public record and have been widely published by the news media and even discussed by the president himself.
2. OK

3. Lincoln, Grant and McKinley also filed for bankruptcy. Obama renamed Mt McKinley Denali. For Trump's sake, he had better hope presidents who used bankruptcy are assassinated on an every other basis.

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Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:31 am

Bick wrote: 1. Bankruptcies actually are a matter of public record.
Only for those entities going BK. We don't know about the rest of his financial portfolio.

I've lived in OC long enough to know that just because someone exudes affluence doesn't necessarily mean they are wealthy. On more than one occasion it meant they are really deep in debt.
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Post by MDDad » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:32 am

John Q. Public wrote:Making a lot of money for yourself and managing and leading are very different things.
Let's be a little fair here, John. All those resorts and high rise hotels had to be built. Unless you believe Donald Trump rolled up his sleeves and built them all with just his own two tiny hands, he made a lot of money for a lot of other people as well.

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Post by Bick » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:39 am

Wabash wrote: Only for those entities going BK. We don't know about the rest of his financial portfolio.
You made a point about his bankruptcies being some proof of whatever point you were trying to make about his business acumen.

What's your point?

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Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:39 am

I believe this is off topic. Feel free to take this to a more appropriate thread.
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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by John Q. Public » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:47 am

MDDad wrote: Unless you believe Donald Trump rolled up his sleeves and built them all with just his own two tiny hands, he made a lot of money for a lot of other people as well.
You'd have to ask the people who did the work. It sounds like he stiffed a lot of them. Which also isn't a good way of doing business in most cases.
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Post by MDDad » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:10 am

And yet the resorts and hotels kept going up, so there must have been a lot more upside than the risk of getting stiffed.

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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Bick » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:32 am

Wabash wrote: I believe this is off topic. Feel free to take this to a more appropriate thread.
Like that's ever stopped you.

Translation..."I HAVE NO POINT. Just let me spout off unverifiable garbage like it's fact."

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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Vilepagan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:05 am

Bick wrote: Assuming a modicum of objectivity, If you were a recipient of one of the 300k+ jobs that were created last month on his watch, you might be a little less critical.
Assuming I had a modicum of intelligence, and I was a "recipient" of one of the 300k jobs, I wouldn't assume for a moment that the president had a dam thing to do with that fact. Why would anyone?
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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Bick » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:17 am

You would need to be objective, Vile. Not in the camp of trying to prove 24/7 the president has done nothing but bad.

Doesn't apply to you. Carry on.

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Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:26 am

Bick wrote: "I HAVE NO POINT. Just let me spout off unverifiable garbage like it's fact."
Glad to read you know what you are doing. Don't worry. We realized that long ago.
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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by John Q. Public » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:36 am

MDDad wrote: And yet the resorts and hotels kept going up....
Yes they do, even though he was supposed to have divested.
...so there must have been a lot more upside than the risk of getting stiffed.
Same reason people do business with Walmart and the federal government, I guess. Sometimes you win, sometimes you get stiffed. He's a good hustler but I still don't see how he's good at running a business. Imagine him in charge of GM, for example.
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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by Bick » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:39 am

Wabash wrote: We realized that long ago.
You and the mice in your pocket?

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Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:42 am

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Re: Illegal immigration: wrong then, wrong now

Post by RPW » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:04 pm

Bick wrote: My original point was neither Trump nor Obama had nearly the experience of the prior presidents since Eisenhower, and because of it, were not qualified to be POTUS. You keep pointing to his state senate experience as some key feather in his cap. He never had the full accountability of a state governor, and didn't complete a single term at the federal level. Being the chairman of one of the seven 10-member foreign relations subcommittees for less than 2 years doesn't barely moves the needle in terms of requisite leadership experience as POTUS.

My concern is that the 2020 Democratic candidate will likely have less experience, given she's just completed her 2nd year as a US Senator, and doesn't chair anything.

Surrounding yourself with the "right" people is a key ingredient in politics. Unless i am missing something, Trump has not done that. Can you point to key staff that are valuable?
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