Soap opera serial.. As the government turns

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Soap opera serial.. As the government turns

Postby Troglodyte » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:12 pm

The rest of the world tunes in to our schoolyard squabble.. :oops:

US leaders squabble despite dire cuts warning
Published: Bangkok Post: 27 Feb 2013 at 01.43 Online news: World
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The massive reductions to the military and domestic budget were supposed to be so severe that both sides would be forced into a deal to cut the deficit. But Washington is so dysfunctional that no agreement has been reached.

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Postby John Q. Public » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:30 pm

[mod="John Q. Public"]Hey, you don't like the way I edit, don't post the entire article.[/mod]
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Postby Omar Bongo » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:38 am

Hey Trog, could you just post The Conservative Guide to When We Should or Shouldn't Care What the Rest of the World Thinks so we don't have to keep guessing? Thanks.
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Postby Troglodyte » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:30 am

As long as we allow the government to keep spending, borrowing, and raising taxes, nothing is gonna change.
It is absolutely insane and self destructive to continue on this fiscal path. Every citizen knows that they can't continue to spend what they don't have. Reality needs to kick into liberal's thinking.
Talking about cutting $85Billion while running up another $Trillion plus deficit per year and thinking we are gonna reduce the federal deficit by $1Trillion in 10 years is a cruel joke, and delusional accounting at it's worse...
What we, and the rest of the world, are seeing is the greatest nation in the history of the world in it's death spiral. Continuing to lend money to your (plural) gambling addicted brother-in-law thinking he's gonna hit the jackpot this time isn't ever gonna work.
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Postby Troglodyte » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:06 am

John Q. Public wrote:Hey, you don't like the way I edit, don't post the entire article.[/mod]

I did notice that you cut out all the parts you don't want to hear.. :wink:

Bernanke, in prepared testimony to Congress, "The Congress and the administration should consider replacing the sharp, front-loaded spending cuts required by the sequestration with policies that reduce the federal deficit more gradually," he said.

The White House said the sequester would see 90,000 civilian defense workers furloughed in Virginia alone and would delay maintenance of 11 naval vessels.

It warns of a "perfect storm" of nationwide airport delays and less secure US borders

Republicans accuse the president of resorting to scare tactics They are willing to close loopholes, but only in the context of a sweeping overhaul of the tax system which could see rates for the wealthy fall.

Republican House Speaker John Boehner denied Republicans had done nothing to stop the sequester, as the House has voted twice to reframe the cuts -- though the bills lack the revenue hikes Obama demands.

"We should not have to move a third bill before the (Democratic-led) Senate gets off their ass and begins to do something," Boehner said.

Several attempts were underway in Congress to give Obama authority to spread the cuts more evenly, but the president said it was too late to finesse the sequester, and only a balanced revenue and cuts deal would work.

"You don't want to have to choose between let's see, 'do I close funding for the disabled kid or the poor kid? Do I close this navy shipyard or some other one?'" the president said.

Senate Republican minority leader Mitch McConnell said "The president's been running around acting like the world's going to end because Congress might actually follow through on an idea he proposed and signed into law -- all the while pretending he's somehow powerless to stop it."

There seems little prospect that Washington's feuding politicians will agree to halt the sequester before it comes into force on Friday.

The first point of possible compromise may then come with a bill due at the end of March to fund the government's operations, with Obama betting that pressure will rise on Republicans to seek a compromise.
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Postby John Q. Public » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:01 am

Troglodyte wrote:I did notice that you cut out all the parts you don't want to hear.. :wink:

If you mean I cut out the part that's pure Republican spin, yes I did. But I left the most important paragraph from the article.

Republicans invented the crisis, insisted that a long-term problem be dealt with immediately and all at once, and held our economy, our business recovery, American jobs and our bond rating hostage in order to get what they want. Now they're unhappy with the "poison pill" they (almost unanimously) voted for and they're blaming everyone but themselves.

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Postby Wabash » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:54 pm

The GOP is almost bi-polar on sequestration. They are supposed to be the party of small government and believe strongly with budget cutting and deficit reduction. Yet they now bitch about the cuts that will be made due to sequestration. Logic tells us that they cannot argue for budget cutting and against sequestration simultaneously, but that is exactly what they are doing. I'm convinced this is almost schizophrenia.

Now Republicans are scrambling to shift blame from themselves to the President. They want any negative repercussions of the sequester to fall solely on his back. But since they believe that deficit reduction through shrinking federal budgets is a good thing, then shouldn’t the benefits they have been insisting would transpire be credited to Obama?

Maybe one of the conservatives on this board can explain such odd behavior.
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Postby Troglodyte » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:41 pm

Yeah!! Yeah!! We know Wabash.. It's Bush's, The GOP's, and corporate America's greed that did it. And we just can't get over the fact that Obama won by a "landslide" twice.. :-({|= :yawn

The facts remain:
Obama and the dems wholeheartedly went along with the "poison pill" idea, and now they're claiming "we was only fooling"
The GOP led House sent their solutions to the senate twice. Reid refused to allow discussions and Obama mocked them.
Obama refuses to discuss alternative cuts, and insists we allow tax increases and debt ceiling hikes now, and maybe we'll discuss cuts later
Just who is acting childish, egotistical, and Napolianic here, Wabash??
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Postby Wabash » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:46 pm

Troglodyte wrote:The facts remain:
Obama and the dems wholeheartedly went along with the "poison pill" idea, and now they're claiming "we was only fooling"

No, they're only pointing out the consequences of the cuts agreed to by the majority of the GOP.

Troglodyte wrote:The GOP led House sent their solutions to the senate twice. Reid refused to allow discussions and Obama mocked them.

That was last session. The GOP House has yet to send the Senate anything during this session.

Troglodyte wrote:Obama refuses to discuss alternative cuts, and insists we allow tax increases and debt ceiling hikes now, and maybe we'll discuss cuts later

He proposed numerous cuts if revenues are also accepted.

Troglodyte wrote:Just who is acting childish, egotistical, and Napolianic here, Wabash??

The GOP. Thanks for the softball.
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Postby Troglodyte » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:47 pm

Cuts imminent, Senate rejects stopgap efforts
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
Published OC Register: 27/02/2013 3:42 PM ET
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Squabbling away the hours, the Senate swatted aside last-ditch plans to block $85 billion in broad-based federal spending reductions Thursday as President Barack Obama and Republicans blamed each other for the latest outbreak of gridlock and the administration readied plans to put the cuts into effect.

The immediate impact of the reductions on the public was uncertain, and the administration pulled back on its earlier warnings of long lines developing quickly at airports and teacher layoffs affecting classrooms.

On the Senate floor, a Republican proposal requiring Obama to propose alternative cuts that would cause less disruption in essential government services fell to overwhelming Democratic opposition, 62-38.

Moments later, a Democratic alternative to spread the cuts over a decade and replace half with higher taxes on millionaires and corporations won a bare majority, 51-49, but that was well shy of the 60 needed to advance. Republicans opposed it without exception.

In a written statement after the votes, Obama lambasted Republicans. "They voted to let the entire burden of deficit reduction fall squarely on the middle class," he said.
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Let's see.. The GOP proposes cuts that would cause less disruption.... Shot down by democrats..
The dems demand to spred the cuts over 10 years and raise taxes.... passed by dems but failed.
Less disruptive cuts vs a tax hike and 10 years to figure a way out of cutting... :eh?:
Which do you think is the most reasonable proposition??
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Postby Wabash » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:02 pm

Troglodyte wrote:Let's see.. The GOP proposes cuts that would cause less disruption.... Shot down by democrats..

How do you know the proposed GOP cuts would be less disruptive?

Troglodyte wrote:The dems demand to spred the cuts over 10 years and raise taxes.... passed by dems but failed.
Less disruptive cuts vs a tax hike and 10 years to figure a way out of cutting... :eh?:
Which do you think is the most reasonable proposition??

It didn't fail. It was filibustered by the GOP who won't let it come to a vote. Big difference. The action takes Boehner off the hook since he has passed nothing to address this issue.
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Postby Troglodyte » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:04 pm

Wabash wrote:How do you know the proposed GOP cuts would be less disruptive?


It didn't fail. It was filibustered by the GOP who won't let it come to a vote. Big difference. The action takes Boehner off the hook since he has passed nothing to address this issue.

Because apparently the GOP studied the cuts and proposed alternatives. The dems couldn't get passed "raise taxes".

Kinda hard to claim there wasn't a vote when the next paragraph gives this result.
"Moments later, a Democratic alternative to spread the cuts over a decade and replace half with higher taxes on millionaires and corporations won a bare majority, 51-49, but that was well shy of the 60 needed to advance. Republicans opposed it without exception. "
You gotta learn to read and understand the whole thing, not just the parts you agree with, or want to believe.
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Postby Wabash » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:22 pm

Troglodyte wrote:Because apparently the GOP studied the cuts and proposed alternatives. The dems couldn't get passed "raise taxes".

Because we all know GOP studies are always 100% accurate in predicting an outcome. The GOP also claimed that Clinton's tax policy (which they all voted against) would ruin the economy. Please detail for us the accuracy of that prediction since we have hindsight to judge.

Troglodyte wrote:Kinda hard to claim there wasn't a vote when the next paragraph gives this result.
"Moments later, a Democratic alternative to spread the cuts over a decade and replace half with higher taxes on millionaires and corporations won a bare majority, 51-49, but that was well shy of the 60 needed to advance. Republicans opposed it without exception. "

Yes, it needed 60 votes to come to a vote. The GOP won't even allow that to occur.

Troglodyte wrote:You gotta learn to read and understand the whole thing, not just the parts you agree with, or want to believe.

I believe a vote should have been allowed. The GOP could have voted against it. As it is, a vote wasn't allowed. You obviously don't understand how the Senate minority works now.
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Postby Troglodyte » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:38 pm

I should have known better than to expect anything but blather, stuttering, and excuses from you.
In order to devise alternative budget cuts, one would have to carefully study the ones presented.
Something the dems didn't bother to do as they had their heart set on a tax increase and debt ceiling increase. They didn't even consider the GOP's alternatives in a positive light, if at all.

The Dems considered it a vote, the GOP considered it a vote, the Senate and MSM considered it a vote. What's your problem with that? Just because Team Obama didn't get the 60 votes necessary you want to claim it never happened?
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Postby Wabash » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:55 am

Troglodyte wrote:The Dems considered it a vote, the GOP considered it a vote, the Senate and MSM considered it a vote.

The Dems don't consider it a vote since a vote was never allowed.

You must not be familiar with how the Senate operates. The vote that was taken was to allow a vote. The number required is 60 votes and this vote fell short of that number.

You should read up on how the Senate works. It's a fascinating topic.
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Postby Troglodyte » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:58 pm

OH!!! It wasn't a vote because you don't consider it one?? You live in a very strange world, Wabash..
The world of denial...
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Postby Wabash » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:28 am

Back on topic.

It's more than ironic that the party of smaller government is critical of the President for allowing the Sequester's spending cuts to proceed. Since President Obama took office, their mantra has been that there is no revenue problem, there is a spending problem. Now they are critical of spending cuts.

If the GOP is going to claim the Sequester's drastic spending cuts were President Obama's idea, then they should stop calling him a socialist.
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Postby Wabash » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:29 am

Troglodyte wrote:OH!!! It wasn't a vote because you don't consider it one?? You live in a very strange world, Wabash..
The world of denial...

No. I don't consider it a vote because a vote wasn't allowed. No denial, just the facts that conservatives ignore. You should read up on the Senate rules and how the minority can block a bill from a vote via the filibuster. It's a fascinating topic.
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Postby Tommy Tar » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:43 am

What happened? The world is still here. \:D/
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Postby Wabash » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:08 am

Tommy Tar wrote:What happened? The world is still here. \:D/

I agree with this. What's interesting to me is the GOP is demanding the Democrats pass legislation replacing the sequester. The Democrats did that in the Senate and the GOP promptly filibustered it.

The GOP majority House has yet to pass any legislation that would replace the sequestration in this session yet continue to claim they have passed replacement legislation twice.

The GOP has had the mantra for years (at least since Jan. 2009, before, not so much) that spending was out of control. They are blaming Obama for the spending cuts that are occurring as a result of sequestration. Given their desire to curb spending, shouldn't they be praising him? The GOP schizophrenia on this issue has been incredible to witness.
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