Wil the Dow set a new high today?

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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by sbayhills » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:42 pm

Careful, he's easily confused.

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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Parrotpaul » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:34 am

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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Wabash » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:55 am

18echo wrote: So, you don't really blame Bush, you think that Obama is actually responsible for his own economy at this point, and you're just pretending to absolve Obama and blame Bush in order demonstrate this similar trait in conservatives?
I do blame Bush. I blame conservatives for demanding accountability from Obama they never accept for themselves. Until then I have no problem with Obama continuing to blame the previous administration. When a president leaves office, he doesn't take his policies with him and his successor doesn't start from scratch. Bush handed off a disaster and conservatives are trying to run from that reality at light speed. Hence all the whining about Obama with claims of scapegoating.

Wouldn't you agree? Or do you believe conservatives have accepted responsibility for the disaster they handed off in Jan. 2009?
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by 18echo » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:08 am

Wabash wrote: I do blame Bush. I blame conservatives for demanding accountability from Obama they never accept for themselves. Until then I have no problem with Obama continuing to blame the previous administration. When a president leaves office, he doesn't take his policies with him and his successor doesn't start from scratch. Bush handed off a disaster and conservatives are trying to run from that reality at light speed. Hence all the whining about Obama with claims of scapegoating.
So it's wrong when conservatives do it, but ok when you do it?
And you don't see the the irony in that?

I'm curious though, if "conservatives" were to suddenly announce that Bush handed off a bad economy as you require, would you then hold Obama responsible for his current administration?
"Hoc spatium adsuesco assuesco pro profunda rhetoricam."

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Post by Wabash » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:18 am

18echo wrote:So it's wrong when conservatives do it, but ok when you do it?
And you don't see the the irony in that?
You're allowed your opinion. I don't see it that way.
18echo wrote:I'm curious though, if "conservatives" were to suddenly announce that Bush handed off a bad economy as you require, would you then hold Obama responsible for his current administration?
I'll worry about that when it happens.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by kramer » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:00 am

Wabash wrote:Clinton handed off a cakewalk compared to what Bush handed Obama.
That's true. And it's also true that many of the reasons for Bush handing off a worse economy were because of Clinton's policies.

Wabash wrote:Despite your attempts to defend Bush,
Not defending him, just using the opportunity to bash Clinton with historical facts.

Wabash wrote: conservatives run and hide from him. He is still toxic to their already declining brand.
He was toxic to me around 2002-2003
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Post by Wabash » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:18 am

kramer wrote: That's true. And it's also true that many of the reasons for Bush handing off a worse economy were because of Clinton's policies.
If that were the case you just proved that Bush was inept since he did nothing to correct those policies.
kramer wrote:Not defending him, just using the opportunity to bash Clinton with historical facts.
Sorry, the buck stops with Bush if one believes in accountability.
kramer wrote:He was toxic to me around 2002-2003
Maybe. But conservatives still supported him for re-election.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by 18echo » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:53 pm

18echo wrote:So it's wrong when conservatives do it, but ok when you do it?
And you don't see the the irony in that?
Wabash wrote:You're allowed your opinion. I don't see it that way.
I'm just asking, if you find the conservative behavior of blaming others so loathsome, why do you do it all the time yourself?

And if you do it all the time yourself, are you really in a position to insist that others cease the same behavior?
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by kramer » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:29 am

kramer wrote: That's true. And it's also true that many of the reasons for Bush handing off a worse economy were because of Clinton's policies.
Wabash wrote:If that were the case you just proved that Bush was inept since he did nothing to correct those policies.
Since when is it normal policy for a president to undo something a previous president has done? And how was Bush supposed to know Clinton's previous actions were going to result in this economic mess? And why didn't all the other democratic politicians and media experts in economics see the mistakes Clinton made and alert us to them?


kramer wrote:Not defending him, just using the opportunity to bash Clinton with historical facts.
Wabash wrote:Sorry, the buck stops with Bush if one believes in accountability.
Really? Then how come you (and Obama for that matter) were and still are always quick to blame the terrible economic recovery under Obama on Bush?

Is there a different standard for accountability when it comes to Republicans and Democrats?
ans.: Yes.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Wabash » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:37 am

kramer wrote:Since when is it normal policy for a president to undo something a previous president has done? And how was Bush supposed to know Clinton's previous actions were going to result in this economic mess? And why didn't all the other democratic politicians and media experts in economics see the mistakes Clinton made and alert us to them?
When he (or she) believes it is injurious to the nation. It's been done frequently in our nation's history. You should read up on this issue, it's a fascinating topic.
kramer wrote:Really? Then how come you (and Obama for that matter) were and still are always quick to blame the terrible economic recovery under Obama on Bush?
Because many of the policies enacted by Bush are the cause of the current fiscal crisis. When a president leaves office, their policies don't go with them.
kramer wrote:Is there a different standard for accountability when it comes to Republicans and Democrats?
ans.: Yes.
Yes. The GOP likes to demand personal responsibility until something of theirs goes wrong. Then it is someone else's responsibility.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Tommy Tar » Thu May 23, 2013 11:08 am

Market up big yesterday early then tanks. #-o Today starts way down and fights back. \:D/ Sell in May and go away. :lol: Wild week on Wall Street.
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Post by Parrotpaul » Thu May 23, 2013 11:40 am

Selling in May and going away would have cost many fortunes. It has been a terrific month...hell, a terrific past fifty months.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Tommy Tar » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:39 pm

Look's like the bull is done.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Parrotpaul » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:00 am

Tommy...even a bull needs a rest now and then. 2% interest rates aren't the end of the world. Be patient.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by kramer » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:46 am

Tommy Tar wrote:Look's like the bull is done.
If this past run was considered a "bull market" then for once, the term "bull" fits like a glove.

This recent stock market rise didn't rise because of a strong economy or economic growth or because the BIS is dropping people off of the unemployment roles to lower the unemployment rate for Obama's failing economic policies..., it rose because most of the trillions of dollars that the world's central banks have been printing are ending up in the stock market.

Who has mostly benefits from this? The already rich 1%.

Think about this: we have economic policy by a democratic president that is making the rich 1% richer while his minions at the BIS are dropping people from the unemployment roles in order to lower the unemployment rate.

I wonder if the reason we don't hear much about these things is because of all of the close ties the Obama admin has to the media?
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Post by Wabash » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:49 am

kramer wrote: I wonder if the reason we don't hear much about these things is because of all of the close ties the Obama admin has to the media?
I wonder if you remember how conservatives were claiming the president's policies (when he took office in 2009) would ruin the economy.

Conservative economic predictions in the last five years have been 100% wrong.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by kramer » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:13 am

Wabash wrote: I wonder if you remember how conservatives were claiming the president's policies (when he took office in 2009) would ruin the economy.
I don't. But you might be right, so enlighten me:
http://www.google.com
Wabash wrote:Conservative economic predictions in the last five years have been 100% wrong.
You mean where they predicted that the unemployment rate would be lower after a given time from the stimulus but the actual unemployment rate was higher?... Opps, that was Obama's wrong economic prediction.
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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Fordama » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:16 am

kramer wrote: I don't.
You're kidding, right?

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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by kramer » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:18 am

Fordama wrote: You're kidding, right?

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Re: Wil the Dow set a new high today?

Post by Parrotpaul » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:01 am

Kramer most of your stuff leans toward lame...even creepy sometimes, but that you wouldn't remember what was being paraded around by conservatives. You kind of flat-out lose this argument.

Off topic: Are you cool with the SCOTUS today ruling unanimously against making stem cells patentable?
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