Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Wabash » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:37 pm

MDDad wrote:Aren't you the guy who said a person's past shouldn't matter? Or does that rule apply only to Hillary?

I'm not the one who has established a narrow and ever shifting sense of morality as a litmus test.

I have no problem with Melania's past activity. My point is that if she had been Obama's wife I'm betting the reaction of conservative evangelicals would not be the same.


They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Tommy Tar » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:09 pm

‘I Haven’t Seen Democrats This Mad Since We Freed the Slaves!’..... Rob Schneider.

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Wabash » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:40 pm

And he apologized. Why didn't Christians forgive him?

Given his constant insults and berating of others since Trumo has taken office I'd say he hasn't changed.

https://youtu.be/kPxwKS12TXE
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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Fordama » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:44 pm

Tommy Tar wrote:Yes! Past activity...............

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

I watched an interview where Trump said he'd confess if he ever did sin, but he hadn't yet.
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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby ShiftyMutt » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:58 am

Scott wrote:Like the majority of Presidents past, Trump is a Christian. Praise the Lord. :thumbsup:


Please point me to where Donald has shown any proof that he's a Christian, other than sucking up to Liberty University for their votes.

Obama, who was far more 'Christ-like' in word and deed but was called everything but Christian. Even thinking they were being derogatory by calling him a socialist.. well, so was Jesus.

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby ShiftyMutt » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:08 am

Tommy Tar wrote:Yes! Past activity...............

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

Read the Bible. The greatest heros in the Bible are adulterers. prostitutes, drunks, coward and tax collectors. Even you Wabash can be saved. Be in the light. All you need is to open the door.



But Trump is 71 years old, it doesn't look like he's left anything to the past and risen to sainthood.

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Scott » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:59 am

Wabash wrote:Really? What aspects of his life are examples of the principles of Jesus Christ?

Even by his own admission he's been no such thing.
He does confess to be a Christian. Christians are all sinners. But, I'm not going to argue the point any further because he may not be going to heaven.

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Wabash » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:42 am

So that's all that is needed to be a Christian? To be a sinner?
They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Tommy Tar » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:54 am

Al Franken who was on the short list to run for President in 2020 will resign tomorrow. Great powers are at work here. :thumbsup:
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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Wabash » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:50 pm

Goodbye. Same with Conyers and any others here in the state capitol
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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Omar Bongo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:55 pm

Tommy Tar wrote:Source of the post Great powers are at work here.

Are these "great powers" powerless against republican scum?
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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Professor Fate » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:13 pm

Bitter Much?
Well, obviously we have giant butterflies in CA. They's climbin' in your windows, They's snatchin' your people up, tryin' to steal 'em. So y'all need to hide your kids, hide your stars, and hide your coaches cause they're grabin' everybody out here.

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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:14 pm

Maybe they are the Republican scum. Or maybe Tommy's rooting for the women. Hard to tell. He hasn't said anything about Trump or Moore or maybe Weinstein, but Minnesotans seem to have been happy with Franken and he seems to have done a pretty good job otherwise. Or maybe he's drunk the Trump Kool-Aid and thinks anyone who can speak in complete sentences doesn't deserve to be in office. I hate cryptic posts like that.
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Re: Graham, Evangelicals, Trump

Postby Omar Bongo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:37 pm

Professor Fate wrote:Source of the post Bitter Much?

It was a simple yes/no question for Tommy, Mr. Professor/Supporter of an accused pedophile and an admitted molester you think is a bozo...since they're both republicans there's no need for you to make a tough moral choice here. I was wondering what Tommy thinks, he may have something cogent to add...
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Presidential Idolatry

Postby broman » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:00 pm

Pastor Robert Jeffress defended Trump against a porn star’s claims that she romped with the president, calling the allegations “totally irrelevant” to those of faith who support Trump.

“Evangelicals know they’re not compromising their beliefs in order to support this great president,” Jeffress, who also oversees the First Baptist Church in Dallas, explained. “And let’s be clear, evangelicals still believe in the commandment ‘Thou shalt not have sex with a porn star.'”

He added that whether Trump violated the aforementioned commandment is a moot point.

“Whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him,” Jeffress said, and explained that Christian evangelicals were well aware that they were not voting for an “altar boy” during the 2016 presidential election, but instead, supported Trump because of his “policies and strong leadership.”

“We are all sinners, we all need forgiveness, [and] that forgiveness is available through Christ for anyone who asks,” he explained. “And whether the president needs that forgiveness for this particular allegation, whether he’s asked for it, is between him, his family and his God.”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/03/0 ... -president

i·dol
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Re: Presidential Idolatry

Postby Professor Fate » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:14 pm

In what universe does your comment after the link makes any sense at all? Nowhere in the roughly 200 word post does anyone say anything about worshiping any president.
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Re: Presidential Idolatry

Postby John Q. Public » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:04 pm

I'm trying to figure out what "/Submit" means.

I've come to expect politicians to be slimy in one way or another. Maybe evangelicals are the same way with Trump. Unfortunately for them, they thump on their Bibles with the scumbags they don't like. Non-evangelicals don't do that so much, which only makes them look a little less hypocritical when they complain about one scumbag but ignore their own scumbag's shortcomings.
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Re: Presidential Idolatry

Postby broman » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:43 pm

Professor Fate wrote:In what universe does your comment after the link makes any sense at all? Nowhere in the roughly 200 word post does anyone say anything about worshiping any president.

Hold on to your Trump life saver for a second and you might get the point. Is Pastor Jeffress job to lead those who are lost to Christ? When did a person's status rise them above the basic concept of sin and repentance. What the Pastor is saying is that Trump is beyond his duty to bring spiritual leadership, conviction and disciple. That is an idol, a false god.

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Re: Presidential Idolatry

Postby Professor Fate » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:57 pm

Wow! Really reaching, Broman. I am starting to question the IQ of people who can't seem to grasp this situation. Let me try and help them.

1. Candidate A is a sinner. We all are, and we all can be forgiven by God.
2. Candidate B is a sinner. We all are, and we all can be forgiven by God.
3 Sinner candidate A promotes policies that are consistent with the beliefs of evangelical Christians.
4. Sinner candidate B promotes policies that are diametrically opposed to the beliefs of evangelical Christians.

If the choice is between sinner candidate A and sinner candidate B, who do you think evangelical Christians would support?

None of them are approving of candidate A's personal life.

broman wrote:Source of the post “And let’s be clear, evangelicals still believe in the commandment ‘Thou shalt not have sex with a porn star.'”

...“Whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him,” Jeffress said, and explained that Christian evangelicals were well aware that they were not voting for an “altar boy” during the 2016 presidential election, but instead, supported Trump because of his “policies and strong leadership.
It's not rocket science.
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Re: Presidential Idolatry

Postby broman » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:59 pm

Whatever Science it is, you must of flunked it along with and Theology 101.

Professor Fate wrote:Source of the post 1. Candidate A is a sinner. We all are, and we all can be forgiven by God.
2. Candidate B is a sinner. We all are, and we all can be forgiven by God.
3 Sinner candidate A promotes policies that are consistent with the beliefs of evangelical Christians.
4. Sinner candidate B promotes policies that are diametrically opposed to the beliefs of evangelical Christians.


Sinner A cannot promote policies that are consistent with the beliefs of Evangelical Christians because the beliefs of Evangelicals Christians cannot support sin.

It is the sole purpose of the Christian Church to lead people away from sin, not to claim it is irreverent because of a persons status.The sinner conforms to the Church, the Church does not conform to the sinner.

Can you grasp that!? :roll:

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