Northwestern's football players can unionize

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Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby Parrotpaul » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:02 pm

The Northwestern players win an NLRB ruling....one step toward a players union. This is certain to revolutionize college athletics if the ruling, after winding its way up through the judicial system to the USSC.

Good for the players. It's about time they shared in the enormous largesse accrued by the NCAA and its associated schools.

In what could be a potentially landmark moment for collegiate athletics, the National Labor Relations Board ruled in favor of the Northwestern football players who are attempting to form a union on Wednesday. In its ruling, the NLRB said that the players had the right to form the first labor union in the history of college sports.

http://college-football.si.com/2014/03/ ... in-colter/


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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby Fordama » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:53 pm

One big can of worms they might end up wishing hadn't been opened. So many, many issues. The QB from Northwestern said that"there is no way around" that football is a "job."

Well then, let's see that tax returns for the nearly quarter of a million dollars worth of scholarship and benefits he received in his four years at Northwestern ($235,000 right now, not counting what it cost for football.)

How much in taxes will he pay on that huge sum of money?

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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby MDDad » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:11 pm

I agree, Ford. If playing college football is a "job", then receiving a quarter million dollars of education is a "salary". The fact that many college players are too ignorant or deluded to take advantage of it is their own fault.

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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby AsIfYouKnew » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:59 pm

guaranteed way to kill a program.
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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby Luca » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:47 pm

In strictly practical terms, I fail to see what bargaining leverage the players might have.

I doubt that Northwestern is very dependent on income from the football team, unlike a USC or Michigan or Ohio State. Are they going to strike? Refuse to practice or play the games? Like it would be that hard to replace the type of players that Northwestern has?

They're going to risk a free education for whatever meager amount of benefits Northwestern could provide for them, given that title IX would probably mandate the same benefits be given to nonfootball playing female athletes?................ Luca

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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby Parrotpaul » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:18 am

It will be interesting to watch this go through the courts. Here's some more analysis from a SI writer who feels the ruling will generate a showdown between the schools and the players..

Donald Remy was disappointed Wednesday. This has become somewhat of a theme for the NCAA's chief legal counsel. In fact, if the fictional Soggy Bottom Boys are stumped for their next hit, they should consider writing "Man of Constant Disappointment" and dedicate it to Remy.

In November, Remy was disappointed that a federal judge in California certified a class of current athletes seeking compensation for the use of their names and likenesses for the extremely popular football and basketball television offerings sold by major college athletic conferences. This case was brought by former UCLA basketball player Ed O'Bannon, but the far more important plaintiffs are the current athletes who joined the suit last year. In February, Remy was disappointed that the judge moved that case one step closer to trial. On Wednesday, the boulder barreling toward the NCAA accelerated so fast that Remy found himself disappointed by a ruling in a case in which his organization has no direct involvement. A National Labor Relations Board official ruled that Northwestern football players aren't "student-athletes," but employees of the university whose efforts generate a considerable sum of money.

Wednesday's ruling likely will have zero immediate effect. Northwestern can appeal, and the ruling only affects players at private schools because the NLRB has no power over state-run institutions. Still, the ruling should serve as the tipping point for the NCAA and the leaders of the schools in the five wealthiest conferences to realize it's time to stop fighting and start bargaining. If the people in charge of college sports don't want to see the system they've created come crashing down in a courtroom or a bureaucrat's office or in the halls of Congress, it's time to invite the athletes to the table -- unionized or not -- and hammer out a deal with which everyone can live. If not, their disappointment will only continue.

"The NCAA is disappointed," Remy said in a statement that could have been cut-and-pasted from statements of disappointments past, "that the NLRB Region 13 determined the Northwestern football team may vote to be considered university employees. We strongly disagree with the notion that student-athletes are employees."


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The CAPA wants schools to be allowed to pay the full cost of attendance if they can afford it. The current NCAA-mandated "full ride" comes up a few thousand dollars short at most schools. The wealthy conferences and NCAA president Mark Emmert have tried to push through stipends only to be blocked by less wealthy conferences. The CAPA wants players to receive lifetime medical care for injuries sustained playing for a school. The CAPA would like to see some money placed in trust that players could access only after they receive their degrees.

Huma laughed at the argument that players wouldn't want to unionize because they might be taxed on their current compensation. "They're already taxed on room and board," he said. Huma is confident the IRS would not tax the tuition portion of the scholarship. That could be tricky if the players prevail. According to the IRS, the tuition portion of athletic scholarships are not taxable. (Though a look at the necessary worksheet suggests that if athletes are considered employees, the IRS might consider their situations differently.)


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There is much more analysis in the article

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/colleg ... z2xANP0Roz
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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby RedFred » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:14 am

If I'm Northwestern I'd push the envelope the other way and start offering the top players in the nation money above and beyond their scholarship. They'd win the National Championship with in 2 years.

If this ruling stands it will certainly be the end of the NCAA as a ruling body and probably college athletics as you know it now. That being said I don't think it will stand.

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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby MDDad » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:31 am

We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this ruling applies only to private colleges and universities. Imagine a future football landscape in which private institutions take the field with players who are unionized (and compensated), while public schools don't.

Second, I don't see how college football players can have it both ways. If they are "student athletes", then a scholarship covering schooling and living expenses without further compensation should be enough. If they are truly "employees", then they may be deserving of compensation, but they should also be subject to paying for their own tuition, books, transportation, food, housing and all other living expenses. They should also be required to meet the same academic entrance standards as all non-athletes who are accepted at the school.

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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby Fordama » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:38 am

And let's not forget that any giant piles of money to be split up by athletes will still be subject to Title IX.

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Re: Northwestern's football players can unionize

Postby RedFred » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:24 pm

Not so sure about the Title IX implications. They have been ruled employees not student athletes.

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