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LA Times Top 25

Post by Lionhunter » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:12 am

No love for Servite. They are not even on the top 25 list. Seven of their eight SS opponents are on it though. So according to the Times, Servite should lose to Bosco, LB Poly, MD, SM, Edison, Orange Lutheran, and La Mirada. They don't have J Serra ranked either so maybe there's still hope for one victory.

It's obvious, Friars, that you'll have to convince people on the field.

Go Friars! Beat Gorman!

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by THETRUTH » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:17 am

Who cares about newspaper rankings, it is always on the field LH

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Lionhunter » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:20 am

So true. I'll be there Friday to cheer them on to victory. Go Friars!
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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by FriarJoe » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:39 am

The Friars were 3-7 last year with a schedule that was slightly easier than this year. To have them ranked in the Top 25 would be a mistake. If they put up a good fight against Gorman and only lost by a TD or 2, then you could consider them a top 25 team.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by 2002tony » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:41 am

There are lots who care ( using care as just word to point out there is an interest in this). Everyone knows that a preseason ranking and even ranking throughout the season does not mean a lot. We all know it is how you finish and what happens on the field is all that really matters.

But there are preseason rankings in every sport as fans want to talk about their teams or fans who just like the sport (in what ever sport the ranking is in) and wish to have a point of interest to talk about it.

Does anyone really care, no, it is just something to talk about while waiting for the on the field stuff to happen.

How do we know who cares, if there was no top 25 put out by the LA Times or who ever, people would be asking where is your top 25, who does the LA times predict who will win or lose, so on. Same for USA Today, OC Register, and all the others.

Lastly, "who cares", you must have some interest as you had to open this thread and give a comment or opinion, if you didnt, you would have never opened it and made a comment. Most people who mock at the top 25 , top 10, top anything usually dont have a "dog in the fight" so to speak, so for them- "who cares". Not saying this is you of course.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by 2002tony » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:00 pm

Joe, if Servite were to almost win, lose by a little, and maybe even win the game against BG, they still may not get ranked as some will wonder more about the possible ranking of BG being way to high more than Servite being way to low.

I would agree that it would be great for Servite and Servite fans, however I am not sure everyone will be ready to jump on board after the first game. Others will want to see how BG plays in their next game against SM.

Unfortunately BG has already lost a game, played a tough team in Mountain Point (AZ), but now most will want to see how the next game is played. If BG should lose to Servite, many may not give Servite the credit due feeling that BG just is not as good as their preseason hype has been.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Tenacious » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:07 pm

Yeah, word has it BG lost with 5 starters suspended that are probably back this week. Servite will need more than field play to win this - a diamond in the ruff. Good luck this week to all Trinity (except SM). They're like the Dodgers or Red Sox to me.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Lionhunter » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:30 pm

Good points Tony.

Comparative scores often mean little, but they are still interesting to see. The BG/Servite and BG/SM scores will be interesting indeed.

As to the question of whether a Servite victory would be due to BG being overated, many of us (Friar fans) have been saying all along, that BG will be down this year. It is my position, (and has been all along), that if Servite wins this game, it will be due to a combination of BG being down from the last few years, and Servite being on the way up from last year.

According to CalPreps, last year BG had a rating of 63.2 to Servite's 44.1 at the end of the year. A difference of 19.1 ratings points. This year they rate BG at 55, (actually up from 54.1 last week) to Servite's 51.7. a 3.3 difference. Much closer to 2011 when Servite rolled into Vegas to face BG who held a 4.7 point advantage over Servite on CalPreps 64.4 to 59.7

I think CalPreps has it rated pretty close:

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[2013] Bishop Gorman (Las Vegas, NV) 31, [2013] Servite (Anaheim, CA) 26

Since it is in Vegas, that makes BG about an 8 point favorite.
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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by joefutbol » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:01 pm

Who cares about newspaper rankings, it is always on the field LH
And what is going to happen on the field, oh wise one?

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by FriarJoe » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:11 pm

Gorman lost by 7 to arguably the best team in Arizona. I was very impressed with the speed of that Arizona team. That right there tells you that no matter how "down" Gorman is this year they are still a very good team. Even last year when they played the AZ top team, Gorman did not kill them...it was a close game and yet Gorman still trounced Servite. I really believe people are underrating Gorman here. All the hearsay points to Servite being "better than expected" but i still believe the Friars are a year away from being good (by Servite's standards).

Servtie could end up being the best 2-8 or 3-7 team in the history of the CIF.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Luca » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:42 pm

I think that's the best they can hope for, Joe. If they wind up going 4-6, the Orange County Register sportswriters already determined that 2011 Mater Dei was the best 4-6 team in history.........Luca

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Sweetness34 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:20 pm

I'm pretty sure they will be ranked in the OC Registers Poll come Wednesday... say between 7-10..

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Red » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:36 pm

Where is Edac?
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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Luca » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:02 pm

Good question. We are talking THE PREMIER THREE AND SEVEN TEAM IN AMERICA............HANDS DOWN.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by FriarJoe » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:23 pm

The Friars are going 3-7 but the 3 wins will come in league (SM, OLU and JSerra). They will qualify for the playoffs and then pull off the greatest upset in CIF history by beating Mission Viejo in the 1st round when the Diablos blow it once again after another 10-0 regular season.

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Top 25

Post by OCFAN4FB » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:40 am

Here is the latest top 25 HS FB teams in the greater LA area (not my list). Looks pretty spot on to me. :thumbsup:
1. ST. JOHN BOSCO (3-0)
2. MATER DEI (3-0)
3. GARDENA SERRA (3-0)
4. MISSION VIEJO (3-0)
5. VISTA MURRIETA (2-0)
6. LONG BEACH POLY (2-1)
7. CORONA CENTENNIAL (2-1)
8. ALEMANY (3-0)
9. OAKS CHRISITAN (3-0)
10. HART (2-0)
11. CHAMINADE (2-1)
12. ORANGE LUTHERAN (3-0)
13. SERVITE (2-1)
14. RANCHO CUCAMONGA (3-0)
15. ST. BONAVENTURE (2-1)
16. SHERMAN OAKS NOTRE DAME (2-1)
17. BISHOP AMAT (2-1)
18. CRENSHAW (1-1)
19. EDISON (2-0)
20. LA HABRA (3-0)
21. JSERRA (2-0)
22. SANTA MARGARITA (1-2)
23. CHINO HILLS (2-1)
24. TRABUCO HILLS (3-0)
25. CC CANYON (2-0)
After the top 10 they are all pretty interchangeable IMO.
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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Ocrckstar » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:52 am

There is an argument for the top 3 to be #1, #2 or #3. SJB, MD and MV...Any of which cold be 1,2 or 3, but Serra is WAY overrated and struggled until late in that game against a very average Notre Dame team to even score. That's just the L.A. times rooting for one of it's own in the city.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by FriarJoe » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:16 am

My thoughts:

1. Servite is too high. They are more like 20-25. They are getting overrated because they beat Poly on one of Poly's worst nights ever.

2. Mission Viejo should be 1 or 2.

3. Rancho Cucamonga is too high. They are Rancho Cucamonga after all.

4. Santa Margarita should be around 15. Forget their record. They would kill La Habra

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by Tenacious » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:22 pm

Based on all preseason comments combined with their immediate success, Servite still should not be ranked. Servite missed the early opportunity when they crapped out last year (with the same kids). Leave the rankings for next year, after Servite completes the season. This year is Mount SJB. Everyone must endure the rocky trail. No one cares who's #2 at the end.

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Re: LA Times Top 25

Post by OCFAN4FB » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:56 pm

A lot of the Trinity league teams care who is second and third. It means a chance to get in the playoffs and from there who knows. SM was favored along with SJB last year and LBP beat them both out. So you never know what can happen but you have to make the playoffs to have a chance. IMO any team in the Trinity league can beat any other TL team on a given night. That was not true in years past.
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