Servite closes all practices

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Yep, the coaches at Poly. That's why he moved.
Dailydose
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The lemon is the D coordinator. End of story. This is the biggest waste of talent in the history of high school fb.
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Agreed. The DC is terrible. The offense looks terrible in the red zone. No creativity.

Talent means nothing if your coaching staff is lost and confused. But this is what was expected by some when Gass was hired. No head coaching experience and look how things have unfolded.
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Well, we can all agree, some changes need to be made. The solution would be is to hire an OC and Coach Gass to return to defense where he would be most effective. But let's not beat a dead horse and focus on the purpose of this topic and reasons why, Servite closing all practices. We all know this is the results of one individual period. While closing practice is very disturbing for the actions of one, I wish Coach Gass would have just focus on cutting out the cancer and it's attachments, i.e. drinking buddies, but this seemed to be the only option at this time. Hopefully, the cancer will go away and Coach Gass will re-open practice to those who support the program and all of it's players. There are many parents who just want to enjoy watching their sons develop and enjoy the company and bond with fellow parents, lets get back to the family atmosphere!!!
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Huh?! A team mom? What does she do? (someone posted about a team mom getting in the way, now
the post is deleted?)
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This is beyond pathetic. I cannot believe some of the posts that I'm reading on this thread and I cannot believe what people are posting them.

This action indicates a serious problem in that program. I don't know what it is but when the head coach feels it's necessary to close practices it is a major red flag.

Technically, of course it is true that parents and supporters don't have a "right" to attend practices. They don't have a "right" to be on campus at all. They don't have a "right" - nor do the students themselves - to attend the games. The kids don't have a "right" to attend the school, even. So what this pseudo-legalistic observation is supposed to indicate is beyond me.

I have never heard of any private school routinely closing its practices before. My grandfather used to watch my father practice. I watched my own kids practice whenever I could. It was a great way to unwind and as Mama Bear pointed out above it was a great way to meet other parents and form relationships and familial espirit de corps, which I had naïvely assumed was one of the purposes of parochial football.

(Incidentally, Joe, I would disagree with your blanket assertion that "nobody" wants the parents there. No doubt there are some coaches and some players who don't, but then again there are far more who don't want Obama to be president. But you must learn to compromise.)


This action indicates that there is a real problem with the Servite program somewhere. It is either:

One). There are parents disrupting practice (it is understood that parents should keep their distance and their mouths shut. If not, then identify the offenders and escort them from the campus. An unwillingness to do this would indicate a courage defecit)

Two). There are students disrupting practice (the solution is obvious and even easier to remedy than the scenario above)

Three). The administration doesn't want strangers on campus (then have some guards available and verify everyone's legitimate purpose. This has happened to me several times at practices. They asked me who I am and I said that I was just a parent minding my own business and watching my son practice. No problem)

Four). The coaching staff is too sensitive to perceived disruptions (then there is a problem with the coaching staff, but they can still have the perceived disruptors escorted off campus)

Five). The coaching staff feels intimidated having practices watched (I hope this isn't the case because there ain't no cure for this one)

Six). There is a lack of control by the administration over the facilities (then the school needs a better administration).


All of these problems are easily solved by a firm administration that has its priorities appropriately in place. The fact that Servite decided that the only solution was to lock out fans and parents from practices indicates a real problem to me.

Footballislife said previously - and I agree - that he would have a problem sending his kid to a school that behaved like this. Football isn't life for me and I sent my kids to school for an education, both academic and moral. But if I had to choose between two fairly evenly matched schools there is no way in hell I would send a child of mine where an athletic department reacts so churlishly as opposed to one that behaves in a more reasonable fashion. Parochial football is a priceless tradition, it is unique. And this is counter to the very traditions I recognize.

I'm not pointing a finger at anyone in particular, but even the Servite partisans in our midst should admit that this is an indicator of a significant problem. I can admire your loyalty, but some principles surpass mere loyalty. As far as athletic side of the school is concerned, this is not a minor issue...........Luca
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I pick answer #5.
There is definetly a problem with the coaching staff and the way they handle all kinds of various situations !!
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When you have the team mom going above. Gass to the ad, there are big problems.
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gameluvr wrote:Wow, what a loaded question, I guess the non response says it all, if you don't have anything nice to say, then I guess you shouldn't say anything at all. I will say this, I think Servite purchased a lemon. Seems like a great kid but high expectations with disappointing results, if I'm allowed to keep it real. Has anyone told him he should try linebacker?
Out of curiosity, I dont know how it works, if Croom doesnt turn things around this year, is Servite still on the hook for next years tuition? Can Servite pull scholarships or once they justify it (I'm sure its not related to performance), they have to honor it to its completion?
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Give the kid a break. He has only been practicing for 2 weeks. He was hurt for 3 weeks
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Dailydose wrote:When you have the team mom going above. Gass to the ad, there are big problems.
cruiser wrote:Huh?! A team mom? What does she do? (someone posted about a team mom getting in the way, now
the post is deleted?)
I got my legs crossed, sitting in front of the computer waiting eagerly for the stories.
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Dailydose wrote:Give the kid a break. He has only been practicing for 2 weeks. He was hurt for 3 weeks
Relax, bro. I was just wondering how TL scholarships work. I imagine its a lot like NAIA. You are given varying amounts thats reflective of your talents on the field.
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Its a combination Luca.

As was stated on here before with the issues we had during fall camp, a few dads are out of control. If these parents just came to practice, kept to themselves we would not have a problem.
Its these clowns that get together and start talking crap, only the players/sons of the "sewing circle of loud mouths" do anything right. Every other kid and every coach doesn't have a clue.... according to these guys.
These guys have such a lack of respect for the coaches they feel they need to coach their kids themselves.
...at practice.
The second part is the coaching staff as well. Most are in-experienced in coaching . AJ was a position coach for a few years then promoted to head coach. Sure he was a good Servite player and played abroad after college but he has very little coaching experience. This is over his head. Our DC was the Jr Varsity DC at bosco. Our DL coach was 2-38 as a head coach at Saddleback HS.

I will use an analogy that Troy Thomas always used when he was here. He wanted coaches rowing the boat in the same direction. You started to miss row and you were fired not matter how good a coach you were. It was Troy's way or the highway. Mitchell and Coach D learned that the hard way.
Frank, Scott, Jim all think they know more than AJ so they are trying to row the boat the way they want it to go......... and its just spinning in circles.

Guys want to blast the DC since he is an easy target. He is not the real cancer that needs to be cut out. IMHO.
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By "there" I mean audible or even visible. If parents want to mingle with the other parents over in the corner and watch your sons practice from afar, no problem.

Parents would hover all around the field and literally be right on top of practice when Thomas was coach, and he welcomed that. At the end of practice during the team huddle, the parents would close in right behind for the post-practice talk and prayer as if they were part of the team. They would do the same thing after lower level games during the post-game huddle. Thomas left, and apparently the "parents are part of the team" mentality did not. Thomas could handle it. This staff can't.... and they shouldn't have to.
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From the outside looking in it appears that maybe the beginning of the end was administration not backing up your head coach last month when your star player got into some trouble. To be honest, I have no information truthful or otherwise concerning all this Servite drama. Like I said, from a distance I thought there would be trouble. Its unfortunate and I wonder if in the end the Servite clan will run another coach out of town.
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I was not aware Servite gave scholarships. I hope this was not the case, would be a waste of money. The real culprit here is the ranking and scouting system. Rankings and offers should be based off game performance not the eyeball test and who attended what camp. You tell me how can someone get ranked #45 out of 150 and not have any verifiable film, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he only play special teams for LBP? There are Servite players who got a lower ranking or was not ranked at all that deserve the recognition. And don't get me started, #7 DB in the OC, how is that, there is no film but recent showing him at that position, and we all know the current film is not a good look, tape don't lie!!!!
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I'm with Luca on this one.

When I was playing my father was at every practice - respectfully and from a distance with other dads but always there. I found it awkward and intrusive at the time, especially on those days when he was the only one there, but when he died a few years later I thought about all that he could have been doing instead for all those long hot hours and realized that it was because he loved me and wanted to simply be there to witness my progress. I was the starting QB on a league championship caliber team and didn’t feel like I really wanted or needed the attention from him, but I recently visited his grave site and cried – thanking him for being there, silently watching and smiling, every single day for four years.

Believe it or not there are parents who know the game of football better than some (if not many) staff members. Sorry, if you disagree, but it’s true. Just because you coach the D-Line at a Pac-5 school doesn’t mean you know the game of football better than every single individual in the stands. Certainly you know it better than the 10-year-old little brother and better than the moms, but I found some dads to be quite sharp. What I'm getting at is there are people in this world who know the game quite well as a matter of fact, but have careers that pay substantially better and entrust their son with you. They trust that you are bringing your A game every day and teaching them in a fashion that makes them improve everyday. Football coaching is a teaching gig that carries a disproportionate amount of stature relative to other pillars on campus such as the English teacher. The contempt some parents at nearly every school have for the knucklehead 30-year old assistant coach who doesn't even teach at the school but is always around and still does football power lifts three days a week and thinks he knows the personnel and knows the game is real and isn’t going away closed practices or not. Hey Biff, show some maturity, reverence for the game (and for the administration) and perhaps a little more attention to detail and once the respect is earned the parents will cut ya a little slack.

Which brings me to my last point as to why parents need to have some level of access, but don't necessarily need it for chemistry class. Coaching staffs can and often do make a lot of mistakes that affect the kids. A lot. Far more on a daily basis than a chemistry teacher might. But very rare is the staff that admits to one error let alone the 100 that led all week to a loss. I know this because I used to coach. If we won - the staff won the game because of our preparation and if we lost it was the lack of focus during the week by the kids and game night execution by them. Inept clock management, misuse of personnel, bad game planning, poor use of practice time, bad judgment, unnecessary hounding of referees, headscratching play selection and dearth of halftime adjustments we’re never the blame. Coaches win and a combination of player miscues and bad calls by the refs cause losses. Staffs can and do sometimes teach improper or outdated techniques, they occasionally may miss tidbits on tape that lead to game planning errors which lead to losses, they don’t always understand the true strengths and weaknesses of their personnel, they very frequently play players out of position and prematurely write off players as non-assets when a simple position change may be what's needed, they can use inappropriate language or teaching techniques, they can (and do) go over their 18-hour limit, they can be clever and manipulative in a schoolyard bully way to players and referees, yet often don’t know how to put on their teaching cap and effectively motivate what can be a very diverse group of children. It’s not intentional they just have time, intelligence and personality limitations just like the rest of us. With that said, they absolutely don’t want parents around to witness any of this. Why would they? If you made 100 mistakes a day on your job would you want your Board of Directors watching you from across the hall? Of course staffs don’t want oversight. They don’t want unsolicited opinions or criticism from parents and they don’t even want the praise either because they feel the parent is stroking them to garner favor for their kid – perhaps more playing time, etc. I guess it’s all about focus - as in “we don’t want the parents focusing on us”.

Good luck to all tonight and if you’re a coach and a parent from the stands yells that you and/or your staff sucks – well, there’s a good chance he’s right and you really do. If a parent yells, "good job tonight coach!", you and your staff probably deserved the praise just as well.
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Big nads to make that call at a private school. Though paying tuition does not give parents the right to be an a** on the sidelines. Coaches don't have time to tend to parents and coach a team. They also don't have time to meet with the troublemakers individually who decide to intervene during practice. There are times I wish we would close our practice.

Most parents want coaches coaching their kid not talking to disgruntled parents on the sidelines because they are unhappy and think they know more. If they do open practice again maybe folks will keep their mouth shut and let their kids enjoy the game. Coaches allow parents to make appointments or talk after practice. Be smart and respectful of their time. keep in mind some have families they want to get home to also after practice, meetings, film, planning and then meeting with whoever made appointments. We have a few of those loud mouths here also. Hopefully they are reading this board. yeah they signed up for it but it certainly does not mean they have to put up with a bunch BS.

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As long as Servite keeps winning there will not be a problem with small stuff that every program has. If they start having bumps in the road then the molehill becomes a mountain ! Now would be a great time for a respected Servite alumni ( ? )to come and talk to the players, coaches and parents to rally the troops and get them all back on the same page.

Mr. Grady: I concur.
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Mr. Grady-

It is sad that the parents that are like yours cannot attend. I read that section twice and it certainly puts a lump in my throat. My dad was not able to attend when I was kid and Lord knows I wish he could have watched me silently. That is the best support a parent could give their son. A parent like yours unfortunately on the sidelines is rare! Sounds like a great man!
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