in the JS game hit the QB three feet in bounds, out of bounds. A clean hit but hard. There have been calls in many games that certainly seem to have been legal a year ago but not so much this year, what has changed?
Thank you. So if you hit a player face to face no question but de cleet him it is illegal? Funa also hit with a shoulder pad
and the pushed with his hands, is that also no bueno? It really appears the refs are expecting to calls fouls before the play is made lately.
It honestly sucks, but I don't know what the solution is without video review...
Well, if by face-to-face you mean he saw the hit coming .0001 seconds before contact, then I guess you could. The hit should have been a flag last year, as well, but is 100% illegal under the new rules this year.watchersince68 wrote:Zebra
Thank you. So if you hit a player face to face no question but de cleet him it is illegal
Seen it called several times this year. Those MD calls were correct by the officials.
Smart coaches teach their kids to basically set a basketball screen with arms out, avoid taking kid to the ground or even the appearance. I saw a kid take two steps and make contact with a defenseless player and get called.
I am ok with this rule.
thebull says we are reactionary and watcher says anticipatory .. which is it? Both actually
@watcher I'd have to see the play, descriptions are very subjective. As for anticipating fouls, on a pick return or a punt return, I can usually see the blindside hit developing and I get ready to flag it. A shoulder can also be criteria for a blindside block, the basketball screen is the best play. It's up to the player delivering the hit to do it legally. The player has to see the hit coming or it's illegal now. Player safety is paramount in the newer rule sets being rolled out on all levels.
@The bull, I don't know where you get your information. For 35 years as a multisport official, I was trained, any new officials I mentor and most class instructors we have are trained to never call a foul you do not see. We're not trained to officiate by sound .. in any sport. You may have some but it's a very small minority. The act of fouls being called is reactionary so I'm unclear on what you mean by that. We see a foul, the reaction is to flag it and assess the penalty. Some fouls get peer reviewed immediately if one of the other refs saw the play and has input. I have no problem picking up a flag if one of my guys comes in and give a different perspective. We do talk about our calls on the field. And let's face it, video replay gets it wrong also.
I may as well start now ... we are recruiting officials. We don't have enough, so if anyone wants to start the training in the spring, work passing leagues for free and summer workouts, attend weekly meetings and exams, undergoes game observations and peer criticism and also desires to spend days and evenings on Thursdays, Fridays and/or Saturdays outdoors having complete strangers, players and coaches that may or may not have any clue what rule set is being used at the time, yelling at you and exhibiting some ridiculous behavior .. hit me up. You'll love it or hate it, there is no between.
The safety concerns behind that rule are obvious, but it raises the question why blindside quarterback sacks are still legal.Zebra wrote:The player has to see the hit coming or it's illegal now.
I have seen two flags called on a defensive player who pushed the ball carrier who was in bounds as the ball carrier was clearly running out of bounds and got flagged for "unnecessary" hit (hard push) personal foul flag. I think it may have had to also do with the player slowing down and not running upfield but just out of bounds. There is also the issue that just as the ball carrier is slowing down were players in front of him on the sidelines that he was slowing down for so not to run into them. I think it is just the way the official saw it from his minds eye in real time and perception/view point and not the video.
I think the hit on Kennedy to me would have never been flagged before as when you and I were always taught you need to have your head on a swivel and taking a peek ahead of you all the time so you didnt get that kind of a hit, now the refs flag that kind of hit as Zebra has pointed out . So for to me, when I saw it live and even now when I watched the review that is just a tough call. I am not so sure I would have thrown that flag.
But now to what the Zerba has said and I can understand what they are trying to do, as i looked at the video again it was not a face to face hit but more of a ear hole shot. Kennedy never looked and his head was turned, and until the hit was actually made his body was not "facing" McCoy either ( look at Mitchelle in front of him, they both have the same angle of pursuit and same body position and neither of them would have seen McCoy), I think from the refs point of view in real time looking from the other direction that may look like a clear crackback block.
I was in the booth and had the same angle as the video and I did not think it was a block that I would have flagged as I stated above, but I can understand why the flag was thrown now. One other thing that as I look at the video and watch Kennedy fall away, that kinda looks like McCoy led with his helmet into Kennedys ear hole which could have been a helmet to helmet kind of a call. just my from once being a ref myself.
Is the LB supposed to assume the Qb is eventually going to run out of bounds? Even the video shows it several times
because there may have been a question. There are other views but in this one you see the QB running upfield and just before the hit he oh **** and pauses to turn right. He is 3 feat in bounds.
In McCoys hit is he supposed to make sure the prospective tackler is looking right at him?
Not trying to be difficult but it has been a season of flags that may not all be deserved.
The QB , or ball carrier in the flags I had questioned of being pushed out of bounds may have been just the way the ref saw it to his point of view. In the clip you had us look at - to me it looks like he is heading out of bounds and that may have been what to ref's opinion was at the time as well.