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No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:28 pm
by cruiser
The CIF state council approves the state HS athletic rule that California high schools cannot
compete against other high schools that do not play in their own state's playoffs
beginning with the 2019-2020 school year.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:55 pm
by Professor Fate
Maybe Mater Dei should sue them.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:54 pm
by downtothewire
Dumb rule. Why does the CIF even care who a team plays in the preseason? If teams want to play IMG, let them.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:26 am
by OutOfState
Perhaps we see IMG and other schools in the same boat sue the CIF instead. It would be interesting to hear the CIF’s argument for doing this. Are they afraid they they will come here and take our players away? I say more power to the kids that are good enough. It’s a very very small number. Off the top of my head I can think of Delgado from Bosco, Bol Bol to Finley Prep several kids to Oak Hill, and the Chaminade RB last year that went to IMG. I’m sure there are more. But what is wrong with that?
To me a larger, a much more important, implication is that it would prevent a similar ‘school’ being established here in Cali (or make less likely) since they wouldn’t be able to play any local completion.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:54 am
by John Q. Public
OutOfState gets it. This isn't about IMG so much as it's about any future IMG's starting up in California. Remember that we have a Secretary of Education who fully supports for-profit "schools," which would probably increase the likelihood of sports "trade schools" proliferating. Sounds to me like this is more about keeping the "high school" in high school sports than anything else.

I assume this would also block the "ordinary" out-of-state pre-season games?

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:01 pm
by Sweetness34
This ruling has nothing to do with "potentially blocking the out of state preseason games". It was all about stopping IMG from a start up in CA. I believe its the kids choice to go to what ever school they want, but in this day and age everything is getting out of hand. But the preseason games between top HS programs won't be blocked.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:15 pm
by Tommy Tar
Football will be a club sport in a few years and then the fun starts.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:20 pm
by Luca
HSFB is a club sport at some schools aready, Tommy. These are not high school teams we are watching as the term is meant..........Luca

(I got the joke, Prof, even if no one else did.)

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 am
by sugarcoat
Reading the webpage IMG seems to be a very honest place. It is all about sports. Am I missing something? It is about sports. Other schools, public and especially Catholic should be so honest.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:08 am
by jb914
by sugarcoat » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 am
Reading the webpage IMG seems to be a very honest place. It is all about sports. Am I missing something? It is about sports. Other schools, public and especially Catholic should be so honest.
Any specific Catholic High Schools you think are not being honest on their websites?

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:20 am
by sugarcoat
jb914 - it's not the web-site; it's the mission of the school, the purpose for their very existence. Read their mission statement, then consider where the emphasis or as another thread has it "priorities" (sic) lie.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:22 pm
by Professor Fate
Well said, Sugarcoat! Pretty much what I posted two months ago also:
by Professor Fate » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:47 pm

Simple, Mater Dei administrators should reflect on why the school was founded in the first place, and then ask themselves whether accepting a senior transfer from a public school, who only comes to Mater Dei because he wants a great coaching staff for four months, fits in with that reason for the school's founding.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:33 pm
by jb914
Professor, the priorities thread he referred to is about Servite.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:12 pm
by Professor Fate
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:58 pm
by Mr. Grady
California's bureaucractic culture is notorious for legislating unwanted behavior out of private citizens and institutions through increasing regulation if shaming and ostracizing doesn't work. And now it's entering new territory into the world of legislating behavior out of private schools that aren't even in California.

The obvious goal here is prevention an IMG from setting up shop in California but another, and more annoying, reason is a symbolic stand for their federation brethern in Florida and elsewhere by effectively writing a amicus curiae that puts, what the CIF hopes, is pressure on high profile privates like IMG to become more compliant with the conventional cirriculum and recruiting rules in their local federations.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:25 pm
by downtothewire
If anything, this sort of thing will push the all-out club format more than it will dissuade it. No one likes being told what to do. The CIF is cooking its own goose with each passing year.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:40 pm
by MDDad
Why does the CIF even care who a team plays in the preseason.
...effectively writing a amicus curiae that puts, what the CIF hopes, is pressure on high profile privates like IMG to become more compliant...
The CIF is cooking its own goose with each passing year.
I'm not sure why people continue to think of the CIF as some kind of independent legislature that makes it's own decisions and writes its own rules. It's not. It is the administrative and enforcement entity of the state's member high schools that it represents. All it's rules and decisions reflect the desires of those members.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:19 am
by sugarcoat
Thank you but why single out Mater Dei? I’m not saying all Trinity League teams are guilty by association but... shouldn’t the Trinity League schools have some sort of High moral standard Ought not the Trinity League schools be schools not just teams that are looked up to because they rise above the rest? What they do have is money that allows them great freedom.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:50 am
by downtothewire
MDDad wrote:I'm not sure why people continue to think of the CIF as some kind of independent legislature that makes it's own decisions and writes its own rules. It's not. It is the administrative and enforcement entity of the state's member high schools that it represents. All it's rules and decisions reflect the desires of those members.
Very well. Whatever legislative, rule-making, rule-governing body is responsible for the rules that the member schools within the CIF abides by, how's that? If the member schools are creating these rules and the CIF is merely approving/adopting them as the opening post suggests, then those same schools are cooking their own goose.

The point of the matter is whoever made this decision (and others like it) in the long run will speed up the era of full-on club football, with the top athletes playing for clubs over schools, and I'm not sure that's what they intended. Or maybe it is.

Re: No more playing not true high schools

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:11 am
by downtothewire
sugarcoat wrote:Thank you but why single out Mater Dei? I’m not saying all Trinity League teams are guilty by association but... shouldn’t the Trinity League schools have some sort of High moral standard Ought not the Trinity League schools be schools not just teams that are looked up to because they rise above the rest? What they do have is money that allows them great freedom.
It would seem to me as Christian organizations, they have an even greater purpose and reason to accept any and all children into their schools/programs and encourage more to follow. Not to get all religious about it, but their school and program is a part of their ministry and outreach and one can never tell how God might be working through that, or how the child or family might be affected by the experience. Those who keep banging that "higher moral standard" drum need to back all the way down and just pray about it.