CIF-SS committee will look at potential changes to transfer rules 2019

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Post by SK80 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:22 am

Big Meet Tomorrow @CIF-SS :shock: Let us see where this actually goes..... the 71% whom say they want a change get a concession or does the $$$ now being and potentially being/going to be made by PRIMETIME football win out? There is no question now money inflow to schools and CIF will be a hard sell to put a lid on or reign in.

Fryer: CIF-SS committee will look at potential changes to transfer rules
Transfer Rules Committee has its first meeting Wednesday


"Transfer rules are going to change.

The process begins Wednesday.

The CIF-Southern section, the governing body of high school athletics in Orange County and much of Southern California, has created a Transfer Rules Committee that has its first meeting Wednesday morning. Committee members will represent the nine CIF-SS areas – the Orange County Area, the Desert Area, etc.

The formation of the committee is one result of a survey conducted by the CIF-SS office of its member schools. The survey, completed and returned to the CIF-SS office by 540 of the section’s 566 member schools, found that 71 percent of the schools want changes to transfer rules. The Transfer Rules Committee will be charged with what sort of changes could come.

One change to how transfers acquire eligibility came into play on Jan. 1 – a standardized checklist to verify change of residence for transfer eligibility. It used to be that a change of residence, required for immediate eligibility at School B when a student-athlete transfers there from School A, could be verified through different ways – a rental contract would be good enough, or a utility bill could suffice. More verification now is required.

“You know how hard it is to move?” asked CIF-SS commissioner Rob Wigod. “Some parents were telling us they were able to make a complete move in 24 hours. And we’re saying, ‘no, it really doesn’t work that way.’ ”

The first Transfer Rules Committee meeting precedes the CIF-SS Council meeting Wednesday. The Council is the CIF-SS legislative body. Each school year the Council has three meetings at which the CIF-SS constitution and by-laws are created and amended."

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Post by MDDad » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:45 am

At first glance, this proposal seems like a good example of the bureaucratic way to not solve a problem. Right now, families and schools verify "change of residence" however they want, and the new proposal would require them to use a checklist. Oh my God, a checklist. So the same parties that now knowingly certify residence changes that really aren't, will now have to go to the extra trouble of pencil-whipping a checklist. Yeah, that'll put a stop to things.

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Post by SK80 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:04 pm

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Post by Omar Bongo » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:01 pm

Any idea from when these "changes", if any, would be effective?
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Post by SK80 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:04 pm

Hopefully for some not "RETROACTIVE"! ROFL
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Post by Professor Fate » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:23 pm

Maybe MDDad has some inside info, that explains why MD has been quiet so far in the recruiting wars.
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Post by MDDad » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:38 pm

Professor, the last five kids that transferred from Mater Dei to Servite didn't make permanent changes of residence and kind of scammed the system, so you might show a little more restraint with your jabs.

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Post by FriarJoe » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:44 pm

Isn’t change of residence a bizarre requirement when going from private school to private school? I understand it when it comes to public school transfers (who typically have to live within a certain area) but private school kids live all over the place. For example, if I live in Anaheim Hills and play for OLU and then I transfer to Servite (which is almost equally as close by) I need to show a change of address for immediate eligibility?

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Post by MDDad » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:54 pm

Yes, you need to move out of the attendance area of the public school in which you reside and into the attendance area of a new pubic school. Even if you lived across the street from Servite while attending OLu, you would have to move out of your current public high school attendance area (which I assume would be either Anaheim or Savanna) and into the attendance area of another public high school before being granted athletic eligibility at Servite. I know it sounds ridiculous, but for private schools them's the rules.

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Post by Credo ut intelligam » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:07 pm

Despite my opinion on some of the transfer shenanigans, the whole farce of verifying a change of address seems silly at this point, whether it's public or private. It's clearly not acting as any sort of deterrent.

My rule would be this: if you play varsity for any school and then want to transfer...you sit out a year. Period. No exceptions. That would put an end to the upperclassmen transfer game altogether.

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Post by SK80 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:11 pm

I think you are close with that, would really put the brakes on the roving about and maybe teach a little about commitment. Funny that!
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Post by Omar Bongo » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:14 pm

With that rule in effect last year Servite would have had to pioneer the "No-Quarterback Offense"
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Post by Credo ut intelligam » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:15 pm

I know this the H.S. board, but did anyone else see that Servite and Bosco killer Tate Martell is transferring to Miami? Amazing talent that never lost a single game at Bishop Gorman. Just a winner. Never understood why he went to OSU in the first place. Too much high-level competetiton at QB.


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Post by Credo ut intelligam » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:25 pm

Omar Bongo wrote:With that rule in effect last year Servite would have had to pioneer the "No-Quarterback Offense"
Not quite. We would have had Caden Bell at QB, throwing to Kyle Ford, Trent McDuffie, and Ethan Rae, with Spencer Lytle, Titus Toler, and KJ Trujillo on defense. But Mater Dei, with O'Hara at QB, would have been absolutely crushed twice by Bosco. Scratch that--they would've met only once, as the Monarchs wouldn't have made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. No CIF title; no Natty.

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Post by Omar Bongo » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:13 pm

So you would have got to keep your transfers but MD wouldn't? A little consistency in your logic a little too much to ask?
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Post by Professor Fate » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:36 pm

You said last year...did VP help you move your goalposts too? A little reading comprehension problem?
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Post by FatherSonHolyHldbcks » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:18 pm

Credo ut intelligam wrote: Never understood why he went to OSU in the first place. Too much high-level competetiton at QB.
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Post by Omar Bongo » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:54 am

Credo ut intelligam wrote:I know this the H.S. board, but did anyone else see that Servite and Bosco killer Tate Martell is transferring to Miami?
Maybe. He has a couple hurdles to clear first...

Martell is not leaving Ohio State as a graduate transfer, and he'll need more than one semester to graduate from Miami. That means he'll be applying for a waiver from the NCAA to play in 2019, and his attorney told the Toledo Blade on Thursday that he believed Martell's case had merit for reasons that included the Buckeyes' change in coaches from Urban Meyer to Ryan Day.

"There were some things that happened at Ohio State that we can potentially get some relief from the NCAA, and we're going to try it that way," the attorney, Travis Leach, told the newspaper. "The coaching staff turnover is an issue. There are a few things. There's no real bright-line test that tells you 100 percent how you can get a waiver. This is a tough one, but there are some good facts on his side."

Without the waiver or transferring as a graduate, Martell would have to sit out the 2019 season under NCAA rules.


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Post by TommyTrojan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:03 am

Can we just create a Trinity/Poster Trash talk thread so that we can keep some of these threads on topic?

I like the idea of a standardized proof of move form. True the folks who are currently cheating are likely to try to find ways to continue to cheat, but it might be nice for a standard form with specific items that have to be documented would be nice. Its the sort of thing many of our districts already do so that folks have to prove that they live within our school area. It has helped cut down on people who would try to bypass school choice in our district. I doubt this will be the only recommendation that comes from the group, but it seems like at least something

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