2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

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SM had a chance at back to back titles until Johnny Stanton blew out his knee in game 5 of his senior season. The kid has horrible luck. He was making a strong effort to make the Minnesota Vikings final roster last season until he broke his leg in the third preseason game. it was great to see River Cracraft on the roster with the Denver Broncos in 2018. He was used primarily as a punt return and back up receiver.
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If anyone wants to know the genesis of all this Bosco/MD nonsense you need to go back to what was happening at Gardena Serra starting about 10-15 years ago when the Diocese of LA began pumping large sums of money into Serra's athletic program for tuition subsidies at the expense of the 21 other 11-man football schools in the LA Catholic Athletic Association. The pretext was propping up enrollment and keeping the school open by attracting kids outside of the immediate area. Small private schools in LA simply don't have the number of football kids in the feeder parochial elementary schools like they did generations ago. Demographics change over time. Verbum Dei which was mostly white when it opened in 1962, then mostly black through the 70s and 80's is now 67% Hispanic. If any school needed to be saved by the Diocese at the expense of 21 other schools it was Verbum Dei not Serra.

So why did so much money get diverted to Serra? Frankly I'm not sure why. There are a number of theories as to why Serra got the subsidies and why they continue to do so with the prevailing one being some sort of familial leverage someone in Serra's administration used with the Diocese. And without a doubt the money from the Diocese was a factor. I suppose for Serra's athletic department the pitch was thus: if your parents can afford $500/month in tuition (rather than the full price of $15,000 you too can play football here. You can't fault someone in the Serra administration for wanting to save their school (and their job). Good for them I suppose.

Schools like Bosco and MD didn't need to prop up their enrollment but they saw what was happening at Serra and how their business model was using cash to lure athletes away from then solid public programs like Dominguez and Carson. Serra once on the verge of closing their doors was suddenly the trendy place for kids between the 105, 110 and 405 to go. The Cavs went from obscurity to sending dozens of athletes to D-1 colleges within a few years. Difference making Kids were going there to play sports because their parents were getting paid to send them there. Most larger privates caught on to the simple formula: Instead of money being pumped into the salary pool for what are otherwise low-paid non-union teachers or facilities as has been the case for decades at Catholic schools larger sums were now prioritized for athletic scholarships. Winning football and basketball games pays dividends.

For Mater Dei the depth of demand and socio-economics of prospective students is different from Serra but consider how a little goes a long way: With 2,100 students a $5 annual tuition increase doesn't seem like much but it generates $10,000 in revenue could cover about 67% of another kids tuition. Yes, that's just one kid. But the bigger pot to tap into was the alumni and this is how MD hit the jackpot. If 5,000 of their 25,000 living alumni buy tickets each week that's nice but if each donated $100 per year tot heir tuition fund that's $500k in revenue - enough to cover 50% of the tuition for over 60 kids. A little bit goes a long way.
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Sports and racism never belong together.

Your racism belongs deep down in your private thoughts. Please try asking God for peace of mind by requesting Him to remove your personal fears and then try to stop blaming another races for your inadequacy’s.
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It would be helpful, OldSunsetFan, if you specified who it is that you’re referring to as well as what fears and inadequacies you see in the above.................Luca
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BuckW wrote:OCurbanlegend you must be new to OC football. Mission Viejo was the first to master the transfer game and taking in players from outside their attendance boundaries. It all started about 20 years ago when Bob Johnson took over the program. His first big transfer was Billy Hart out of Foothill followed by Jordan Palmer, Jed Collins and Mark Sanchez out of Santa Margarita. Two of Bob's biggest takes were the Moline Brothers from Dana Hills and the Reuland Brothers out of San Juan Capistrano. Over the last two decades I can't think of a single starting QB at Mission Viejo that wasn't a transfer or a player from outside their attendance boundaries. Even the grandson didn't reside in the boundaries. This model of using transfers to build their program continues with Chad Johnson. Three of the last four starting QBs at MV have been transfers from Trinity League schools.

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Before Mission it was Edison and LBP, transfers existed long ago, just not to the 28 kids in one year.
MD lost their fair share in the early years.
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It was the huge oline and the running of Stanton that won that game vs SC. SC was stacked!
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True .... but, not to forget a critical River Cracraft interception ...

SC was a great team.
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I’m sure some here would try to argue the last legitimate champion before “subsidies” and “pretext” was Anaheim 1967 under ‘ol Clare Van Hoorebeke ...
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What about the Bishop Amat Lancers in '71 (?) ... a number of future USC football greats.

(Disclaimer: I played at Los Altos and Amat killed us every d*mn time. #-o )
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The 2017 SM team with QB Josiah Norwood was special. John McCartan, Chad Magyar, Cade Fitch, Mark Eaton, Jordan Tollenor, Jake Peters and the gang were legit. We lost a dozen high star recruits to transfer, yet had our most competitive year in the Trinity League since the 2011 CIF championship.

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Yes ChamionsU the 2017 SM team was a high scoring offensive machine but their problem was, like all of Coach Fishers' teams, they didn't play a lick of defense. Who can forget their lost in the playoffs in a game in which they scored 56 pts. on Murrieta Valley.
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Man, I am still stinging from that loss. We set all kinds of offensive records that night and still lost. Give us some defensive weapons and we would have tried to make history (We probably should’ve played Malone Matale on defense once we let that WR break the record for T.D. receptions).

All I am saying is, Norwood, a two star recruit because of his size only, did what QBs that passed the eye test didn’t do in the previous 6 years: Compete and win with 2-3 star (and no 4-5 star recruits). He made players better around him. We almost finished second that year (lost to Bosco and its 4-5 star studs by only 2 points).
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SM has a similar type QB that is a sophmore but is much bigger than Norwood, he is also a much better passer. SM should consider playing him more since they are struggling to score and move the ball. The QB they are playing now is not very good.
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Is this the QB that is playing JV? I watched the JSerra vs SM JV game and the SM quarterback was extremely unimpressive.
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Diesel I don't know what you are watching but there is not a QB in the SM program anywhere close to as good as Norwood. I honestly believe that the starting QB for the varsity next season is not currently on campus. I'm sure the coaching staff realizes that they can't compete in the Trinity League with the current QB and O-Line talent that they have in the program.
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And if they don’t know it yet (they do) they’ll figure it out over the next few weeks
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Buck W, the QB they bought in was suppose to be the guy and they told everyone he was a dude. Everyone can now see he is not very good. Also, you are assuming that the offensive coaching staff is good at evaluating talent and maximizing the talent they have on the field. I for one question how good the offensive staff is. As a coach with a struggling offense, you should have all options on the table and a QB that has potential and is athletic should be considered. Remember, Jared Goff was a bust under Jeff Fisher and then got a much better coach and he was in the Super Bowl. Vieselmeyer can coach defense but his offensive staff is questionable. Another 3-7 season will not entice a high caliber QB to want to come to the program.
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The day Norwood transferred in, SM lost both McClain brothers to transfer (JSerra), we had also lost Muro to Mater Dei that year and many others.

To put in perspective how special the 2017 team could have been with some ballers/defense:

The 2011 Team total offense through 15 games was:

Total Yards
GP Rush Pass Rec Total Y/G

15 3608 2493 2464 6101 406.7

The 2017 Team total offense through just 11 games was:
GP Rush Pass Rec Total Y/G

11 3042 2306 2306 5348 486.2

Coach Fish changed a prostyle offense to fit Norwood’s dual threat playmaking style and SM almost made history.
Everyone expected them to be in last place that year. People underestimated Norwood and the entire team. But film and numbers don’t lie.

Special Coach. Special QB. Special team. Just special man. But the 2011 team won it all that’s what matters. The 2017 team just could have been the next special team.
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But film and numbers don’t lie

Indeed. After breezing through the cupcake portion of their schedule, they surrendered nearly 42 ppg over their last 7 games :shock:
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Yes Fisher was an outstanding offensive coach but he had no clue about defense and never found the defensive coaches he needed. If he only had Coach Vieselmyer as his defensive coordinator they may have had a chance. SM scored more Pts that season than any other team against MD but gave up 70 if I remember correctly.
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