Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by Kuppster » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:33 pm

so just 8 teams in Div 1, huh? Win 3 games and your champs? Disappointed its only 8 teams now but i get it

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by dntn31 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:41 pm

Some rough, back-of-the-envelope calculations of the current standings (factoring in last night's game and making some projections for league champs):
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I went ahead and make a quick stab at a Week 10 projection....
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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by Kuppster » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:12 pm

damn, Bishop Amat really could be 9-1?

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by WantTheNFLBack714 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:44 pm

thats exactly what I meant, Rollo blew up the program after the 2011 season, since that's what the media, press labels it, that marked the beginning of MD's journey to becoming the National Powerhouse they are now, probably becoming even better than the MD dynasty of the 90's.

anyway, back to the topic, it does make you wonder if the MD dynasty will end the day Rollo retires, but I see another MD-Bosco title game, its basically MD-Poly all over again for the title game, the way it was in the late 90's, but sadly this will likely go on longer.

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by FatherSonHolyHldbcks » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:20 pm

WantTheNFLBack714 wrote: anyway, back to the topic, it does make you wonder if the MD dynasty will end the day Rollo retires
That’s not the topic. :roll:

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by FatherSonHolyHldbcks » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:57 pm

Fryer going in on his own news colleague Fred Robledo for assuming programs will actually want to compete at the highest level :lol:



And campaigning for San Clemente to mediocre-schedule its way into an annual spot in D2 :-k


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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by hit the lights » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:22 am

2002 T-
I think MV is scheduling the way the should and the way they always have. It didnt stop them from Beating all those trinity teams a few years ago, when they knocked off, Servite, Olu, SM, but lost to MD in the semis.
I also dont think Mazzotta will stop playing MV or any other high caliber team, in the preseason. Thats been his formula.
The problem is, has it worked latley? D-1, D-2, TOP OF D-3, caliber of teams / coaching is top notch.
Last year in D-2, La Habra took a first round L to ND SHERMAN OAKS and their run game. Once again LH had the game in hand, but turnovers and other things decided that, where ND went on to the semis and Upland won.
Mazzotta wont stop playing the tough pre season games, he has no choice , due to a weak league.
The problem is , the freeway league doesnt prepare you for the round one or round 2 upper division games.
Look at what just happened to a number 25 team in the county. No resistance, no pressure, no competition.
Who knows, maybe its time to rethink some things, mindset. Look at what Thomas at Servite is doing right now.
Alumni, Family, weight room, less 7 on 7, more training and indo's. Creating a winning culture.
US VS'S THEM mentality, the buy in, ALL IN!
Unless Bosco knocks off MD, its MD'S, thats it.
Maybe next year, swervite or the next year, servite will pull it off.?

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by polyrules » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:43 am

My feelings exactly FatherSonHolyHldbcks. Lets see...get in as an 8th seed and get murdered by SJB or MD...even get in 7th and get spanked by SJB,MD or CC. Hmmm....or compete in D2 where you actually have a chance. Best thing to happen to San Clemente was to lose to Corona del Mar. And by that margin. That looks to have secured a D2 playoff spot, instead of a D1 spot(Of course beat Mission and they may get back to that top 8). I seriously feel bad for those teams on the cusp of D1....the #7, #8 and #9 teams. Which are Bishop Amat, Calabasas and San Clemente(had to look it up).

It's a situation where the winners are losers, and the losers are winners.

Blame the OC Diocese, blame the recruiters, the CIF...whatever. It wasn't like that in my day

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by FriarJoe » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:01 pm

Look, there is no good system as long as there are super club football teams and schools that will support the club football approach to football. Look at Nevada where Bishop Gorman has turned the state playoff system into a total joke for a decade. We are essentially there in California at least with respect to D1/2. Only solution I can think of is for other teams to join in on the fun. Teams are doing it more and more and even more brazenly. A good friend was just directly contacted by a Notre Dame Sherman Oaks about his son, who is a QB for a prominent youth team. Further evidence that other teams who previously haven’t played that game are doing it more and more. If the wealth can get spread around that would probably be the best fix. Don’t expect CIF to do anything.

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by polyrules » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:42 pm

LBP actually did play the MD/SJB game. Poly got three of the top transfers that year, a QB from Oaks Christain, an WR from LA Hawkins and a Free Safety/CB from Hawkins as well. Matched up with some good returners. Poly was really really good that year.

Mater Dei beat us 55-13. And that is cause Rollo called his dogs off.

What I am saying is those top tier schools are light years ahead of everyone. And while there are some schools that are doing the same, it'll take a long time to matchup with them, IMO.

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by FatherSonHolyHldbcks » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:04 pm

FriarJoe wrote: Only solution I can think of is for other teams to join in on the fun. Teams are doing it more and more and even more brazenly.
So, basically do what Troy Thomas did when he came back to Servite and officially partner with a local feeder youth program (OC Buckeyes), and even let said youth org’s apparel sponsor (Battle) take over your uniform sponsorship in order to appeal to 12 year old recruits even more.
FriarJoe wrote: A good friend was just directly contacted by a Notre Dame Sherman Oaks about his son, who is a QB for a prominent youth team. Further evidence that other teams who previously haven’t played that game are doing it more and more.
ROFL Notre Dame HS is one of the senior board members for recruiting kids in SoCal. Been doing it since the 70s. You think stars like Justin Fargas or Dayne Crist or Koa Farmer (or Giancarlo Mike Stanton) just showed up at NDHS because they had a nice campus and good science program?

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by hit the lights » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:15 am

It is a good thing for SC. No way were they winning D-1 or getting out of the first round.
I think South Coast and Sunset all should be D-2
Actually a mix of D-2 and D-3 would be good.
MV
CDM
LA HABRA
SAN CLEMNTE
TESORO
EDISON
LOS ALAMITOS
Villa Park
san juan hills
capo valley
newport
yorba linda
thats a good start locally.

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by dntn31 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:07 pm

New CIFSS polls are out.

No change in D1/2 poll standings from last week.

Updated current D1/2 playoff standings:
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Week 10 Projections:
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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by RedPillWonderland » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:24 pm

FatherSonHolyHldbcks wrote: campaigning for San Clemente to mediocre-schedule its way into an annual spot in D2
polyrules wrote: Best thing to happen to San Clemente was to lose to Corona del Mar. And by that margin. That looks to have secured a D2 playoff spot, instead of a D1 spot(Of course beat Mission and they may get back to that top
hit the lights wrote: It is a good thing for SC. No way were they winning D-1 or getting out of the first round.
Based on the projections above of San Clemente losing to Mission and ending up in the bottom half of D2 at 8-2, it doesn’t look like they are gonna have to worry about D1 this year. Even if they beat Mission they’ll have to leapfrog several teams.

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by RedPillWonderland » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:35 pm

Not sure if the notes highlighted in this tweet are from CIF to the media, but it looks like San Clemente could still make a move up to the bottom of D1 if they beat MV. Seems like an outside shot, but a chance:


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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by dntn31 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:12 pm

RedPillWonderland wrote: but it looks like San Clemente could still make a move up to the bottom of D1 if they beat MV
The biggest way to gain points is the CIFSS poll, so if San Clemente can beat MV it will more than likely put them into D1 since they will likely jump MV in the CIFSS poll. San Clemente's only loss would be to D3 (and perhaps Top-8 team in CIFSS) CDM. This is important because CDM is undefeated and isn't in the D1/2 poll to serve as a ceiling for San Clemente. I could see San Clemente jumping JSerra with a win and even MV perhaps staying above JSerra with a close loss.

The other biggest chance to shake up the current rankings would be if Orange Lutheran can pull off wins against JSerra and/or Servite. Bishop Amat and Calabasas both have the loss against JSerra which will likely put a ceiling on their ability to leapfrog either of the 3rd or 4th (or possibly even 5th) place Trinity teams in the CIFSS poll which could make things pretty interesting...

Another possibility is for Bishop Amat to falter in the Mission League. Every year, it seems like the Mission League is one big cluster--, so who knows what can happen over the next two weeks. --:--

The projections at this point should be taken with a healthy dose of salt.

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by WantTheNFLBack714 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:27 pm

Los Al is definetley doing poorly this season, Mission's season will more than likely come to an end against either MD or Bosco.

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Re: Open/D1 Playoff Thoughts

Post by templar83 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:47 am

dntn31 wrote: if San Clemente can beat MV
There may be a surprise or two left in the Trinity and Mission Leagues, but not here. MV wins this game big...

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