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What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:40 am
by RoadRunner
Read this on another forum.

What HS QB coming out of Cali is more accomplished than Bryce Young? After you name him, name his level comp and accomplishments

Thoughts?

Re: QUESTION

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:10 am
by John Q. Public
Roadrunner outdoes Red by putting the worst possible topic title in ALL CAPS. =D>

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:19 am
by RoadRunner
Lol....

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 am
by OutOfState
RoadRunner wrote:Read this on another forum.

What HS QB coming out of Cali is more accomplished than Bryce Young?
This year the answer is nobody. I have not seen a QB play so consistently at this level against this level of competition in a long time, perhaps ever.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:09 pm
by Omar Bongo
Not sure what "more accomplished" means...stats? awards? titles? offers?

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:16 pm
by WantTheNFLBack714
I guess it's safe to say that Bryce Young is better than JT Daniels? but ya, I have to tip my hat off to Bryce Young, even though I dislike MD.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:51 pm
by credofriar
Are we including his accomplishments at cathedral before he was bought by mater dei? Asking for a friend.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:08 pm
by OCurbanlegend
we can if you want but it's probably not necessary since what he has done at MD alone is probably enough..

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:11 pm
by Kuppster
He's the best I've ever seen.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:25 pm
by jb914
I remember back when JT left someone interviewed or asked him about Bryce and he made a comment that MD will be fine with Bryce and likely better. --:-- can't remember where i saw that thought...

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:43 pm
by OutOfState
jb914 wrote: I remember back when JT left someone interviewed or asked him about Bryce and he made a comment that MD will be fine with Bryce and likely better. can't remember where i saw that thought...
I remember that too. He actually said something to the effect of Bryce Young will be the best QB in the country. Well he sure got that one correct.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:53 pm
by Playthegame
It will be amazing to see if he carries Bama to Natty's...he sure looks like he is...the Magic Man..

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:06 pm
by WantTheNFLBack714
I think I remember Rollo saying after the monster 2017 MD team finished its season, he said JT Daniels is the best QB he's ever had, but now it looks like Rollo might change his mind and say Bryce Young was even better.

I remember many years ago, many people thought Matt Leinart was going to be the best QB Rollo ever coached at MD for the remainder of Rollo's tenure at MD, then Matt Barkley came along and people said it was Barkley, then JT Daniels, now it looks to be Bryce Young. MD has definetley been a huge QB factory during the Rollo era.

I believe no other high school comes close to that not just in California, but all of the USA as well right?

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:03 pm
by ocfootball
Maybe the ones who won a Heisman

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:14 pm
by Domingo
Please people. Please. BY is a fine QB and could turn out to be one of the finest we've ever seen but can you tell me what QB in CA State History has had more D1 players on his team playing with him (on both sides of the ball) than the last two QB's at Mater Dei and St. John Bosco?? These 4 QB's (BY and JT at MD and Rosen and DJ at SJB) have been at the helm of the most talented football teams in CA State history. Teams that have been assembled from throughout Southern California in ways we've never seen before. Teams that start legitimate college football players at EVERY single position. It's not too difficult to put up crazy QB stats when you're literally a double-digit favorite in every game you play in and every kid on your offense has a D1 offer. Not to mention the defenses you're playing against 98% of the time are full of regular high school football players who are lucky if they play JV ball after high school.

Let's put things into proper perspective people. Two years ago everyone was saying JT was the Greatest QB in CA State History. Now he's about to enter the transfer portal because a 3-star QB no one ever heard of is about to take his job at SC. Perspective people.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:36 pm
by jb914
Domingo,

You forgot Re-Al Mitchell. The last SJB QB to win CIF. :)

Since MD played a national schedule against top California, Arizona, Maryland and DC teams I think Bryce Youngs stats are more impressive. Yea he was surrounded with talent, but, they played against teams that had talent too.

I'll keep it short, i'm sure you need to get back and watch some All in the Family re-runs.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:56 pm
by Omar Bongo
Domingo wrote: It's not too difficult to put up crazy QB stats when you're literally a double-digit favorite in every game you play in and every kid on your offense has a D1 offer.
I realize you're just here to stir **** up, but let's get this straight:

He is the one who leads the team. He calls the audibles. He throws the 30 yd. frozen ropes to the corners. He tears up the field like Crazylegs Hirsch. He takes the (late) hits and bounces right back up to do it again. And again. And again. And after the game he gives all the credit to his teammates, his coaches and his creator. He. Him.

Now stir that **** up

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:40 am
by OldSunsetFan
Domingo wrote:Please people. Please. BY is a fine QB and could turn out to be one of the finest we've ever seen but can you tell me what QB in CA State History has had more D1 players on his team playing with him (on both sides of the ball) than the last two QB's at Mater Dei and St. John Bosco?? These 4 QB's (BY and JT at MD and Rosen and DJ at SJB) have been at the helm of the most talented football teams in CA State history. Teams that have been assembled from throughout Southern California in ways we've never seen before. Teams that start legitimate college football players at EVERY single position. It's not too difficult to put up crazy QB stats when you're literally a double-digit favorite in every game you play in and every kid on your offense has a D1 offer. Not to mention the defenses you're playing against 98% of the time are full of regular high school football players who are lucky if they play JV ball after high school.

Let's put things into proper perspective people. Two years ago everyone was saying JT was the Greatest QB in CA State History. Now he's about to enter the transfer portal because a 3-star QB no one ever heard of is about to take his job at SC. Perspective people.
JT gets hurt and now Clay’s after thought is the starter going into next year.... Please

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:34 pm
by Al Koholik
I'd be very interested to see a list of Elite 11 participants (or top 10 ESPN rated HS QB's) over the last 5-10 years along with their current/ultimate destiny in NCAA/NFL. I think people who have a realistic grasp on QB projections beyond HS will see where I'm going with this.
There are so many factors that have bearing on the equation of QB success at next levels that I find this thread of speculation pretty amusing.
And to project ANY HS QB as a "sure thing" or "can't miss" at the college level is just stupid. And to speculate on the NFL future of a HS QB is the height of ignorance. Heck, the NFL can't even bat .500 on speculation out of college. The road to the NFL is littered with "Can't Misses" and Heisman winners out of the league in 3 years.
Who was the kid that was the greatest 8th grade QB ever a few years back where Lane K. offered him and Clarkson said he's a can't miss? David Sills. Decommited from SC, WV moved him to Rec, so he went to ElCo and played QB (a Clarkson [self-interest] inspired venture)... and then went back to WV and played rec. with much success and now a Practice Squad WR in NFL. Thus, athletically talented enough to sniff the NFL but not good enough to play college QB.
QB at the NFL level is the most rare air in professional sports. There are 32 teams but there ain't 32 NFL QB's that are, or can consistently be, successful. There's about 10 or 12. The rest are solid back-ups or part of the revolving door that is the NFL. The NFL has yet to find an algorithm to determine, from all available measurables, whether a QB will have success. Because, as Brady has showed us again and again, the intangibles that determine such success, by definition, cannot be measured... just witnessed in real time. It's a crap shoot. Period.

Re: What California QB is more accomplished than Bryce Young?

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:21 pm
by SK80
I think one's definition of accomplished would possibly clarify the question a little better.

Accomplished: proficient as the result of practice or training. also : skillfully done or produced. established beyond doubt or dispute. These are terms or definitions of "accomplished".

Are we talking Wins? Yards? Touchdowns? League Titles? Championships? Off season success? Camps, 7v7? Elite 11? Off field success? Classroom success? Scholarships? Community? Leadership? If you were to take all of these in to consideration I believe there to be others in the conversation.

There is no doubt Bryce Young plays for the undisputed best team in high school football. Mater Dei. So does that alone make him the most "accomplished? So to say there is simply "nobody" as accomplished is a stretch. The questions Omar B. posed above are the same questions I would ask.

Here are some of the most "accomplished QB's in AMERICA. The Elite 11. After 10 games played, the guy standing at the top in yardage and touchdowns is Ethan Garbers of Corona del Mar. He also leads Orange County in the same stats. So if you are to discount every player whom doesn't play on a national championship team or even a D1 California state team then you are short sided. Because what some of you have pointed out, there is no formula at the top (NFL) on whom is best based on the criteria some of you put forth in claiming nobody else should even be in the conversation.
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Like the debate in most sport when it comes to MVP or versus whom is "Best" there is different interpretations, most valuable or best. There is the same within the context of "accomplished.