New California law AB5

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Re: New California law AB5

Post by Wabash » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:59 am

Oohhh....I'm so jealous.
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by ShaneFalco » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:39 am

joefutbol wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:08 am
You pay more state income tax than feder
yes...maybe my tax guy sucks :oops:

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Re: New California law AB5

Post by joefutbol » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:50 am

I'm really curious about how that could possibly be the case. Weird.

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Re: New California law AB5

Post by John Q. Public » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:33 pm

frankieboy wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:35 am
AZ's politics are shifting (although not as much as D's would like).
LOL. Give it time. You attract businesses, you attract the people who work for them. See: Texas.
Another factor in moving is retirement income-in CA 401K/Keough distributions are taxed at 11%, while in AZ it's 4%. AZ doesn't tax social security income either.
That would be a strong point!
There's a chance this would have impacted me (not sure but possible). It's had a big impact on freelance editorial/photography and independent truckers also-not the industry they were looking to curb.
I hadn't thought about truckers. I know most, if not all, of Fedex's long-haul drivers are contract and I'm sure they're not alone. But them alone would have a serious economic impact.

And the already-struggling newspaper business uses a lot of freelancers. The editorial and feature writers have gotten most of the attention but it will have a pretty severe impact on reporters as well. I could be wrong, but I think Fryer and Albano are the only "employees" on the Register's Sports staff.
Do think that many in places like south OC are either planning to leave when the time is right or are thinking of it. I do know people in south OC and similar places (Thousand Oaks, Valencia) who have mentioned that they constantly get direct mail pieces from realtors in places like AZ, ID and NV.

LOL again. I don't get those but I do get a ton in Mandarin. Must be the neighborhood.
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by John Q. Public » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:15 pm

ShaneFalco wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:35 am
If you're not being taxed on your income, (I pay more taxes with CA than the Fed) then you're paying excessive sales tax and then you're paying property tax, where in some cases paying an additional assessment or Mello Roos on top of your property tax.
Yeah, my state taxes have always been a fraction of my federal. To the point that I've never understood why people complain about them. They've been a drop in the bucket for me.

Property taxes are another thing, though. I live in LA County now and my taxes are maybe a quarter of what they were in Mission Viejo (actually half but a bigger house and a much bigger yard). But I'm on a 1985 (87? Whenever it was) basis. Yes, I will have a big "NO" yard sign for the Prop. 13 repeal initiative. My taxes would probably quadruple if it were repealed. Another dumb law.

But! Property values (and taxes) are actually a factor of income inequality and success for those who can afford it. The Bay Area is the prime example. So many people there are making money hand over fist that the working class has had to sell their two-bedroom, one-bath houses* for a million dollars and move to Stockton. (And it's also the best argument in the country against the pure, market-based economic theory.)
Bet you love "Red Flight" then you can hang out with all your champagne socialists.
Boy, you got me wrong. But it is a thing. Just ask the Conservatives who've moved to AZ and Idaho. Liberals don't seem to mind, or even notice, having Conservative neighbors but you're always hearing far-right Conservatives complaining about the damn Prius drivers taking over the neighborhood. It seems to really bug them.

* Example of that: Here's a link to our old block in Santa Clara. Our young family rented there for a year (1958-59) before moving to a bigger place in Hayward (which is oddly almost affordable still). Click on the houses. You'll be appalled. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2565 ... 2376_zpid/
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:52 pm

John Q. Public wrote:the working class has had to sell their two-bedroom, one-bath houses* for a million dollars and move to Stockton
Stockton is the Bay Area's AZ...


Here's a link to our old block in Santa Clara

Small world...at that same time we were 5 blocks over on Monroe
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by Wabash » Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:17 pm

John Q. Public wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:52 pm
Boy, you got me wrong. But it is a thing. Just ask the Conservatives who've moved to AZ and Idaho. Liberals don't seem to mind, or even notice, having Conservative neighbors but you're always hearing far-right Conservatives complaining about the damn Prius drivers taking over the neighborhood. It seems to really bug them.
That's what I notice as well. My conservative neighbors are always complaining about something.
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:26 pm

I didn't write that
"Trump is what he is, a floundering, inarticulate jumble of gnawing insecurities and not-at-all compensating vanities, which is pathetic."
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by John Q. Public » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:16 pm

Omar Bongo wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:52 pm
Small world...at that same time we were 5 blocks over on Monroe
Well, that's crazy. And I knew a guy in the Army 15 years later and half a world away who lived on Painted Rock. Seems like his name was Padilla or something like that. Small world, indeed.
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by Wabash » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:36 am

Wabash wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:17 pm
My conservative neighbors are always complaining about something.
Especially the price of gas.
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Re: New California law AB5

Post by frankieboy » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:04 am

I don't complain about gas in AZ-it's $2.89 up the street. Goes to $4.24 the minute you cross the state line.

As for electric-biggest bill I had last summer (1 year old house, single story, super efficient)-$200. Last month's bill: $8.68 (yes-I double checked on the web site to make sure it wasn't a typo!). Summer of 2018 I had bills of $500 and $410 in Ladera Ranch (1700 square foot townhouse).

Expect this month's bill to be higher due to Christmas lights.

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Re: New California law AB5

Post by Wabash » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:14 am

Thank you for making my point.

I couldn't care less about the price of gas.
They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

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