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Post by perspixx » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:26 pm

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Kennedy has one 2 :thumbsup:
1988 and?
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Post by greeniron2 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:41 am

That is neither true nor logical that it is easier to win a swim meet than a basketball game. If it only "takes 10" kids to win a swim meet, how many do you think it takes to win a basketball game? 5 can win it, 7 helps. Hell, with 3 great players you should be able to win a basketball game, so by your logic, it must be twice as hard to win a swim meet as a basketball game.
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Not really, it's a lot easier to win swimming championships than it is to win basketball championships.

Reason being is that most high school swim teams can only manage to send maybe ten kids at best to compete in CIF. Most of them swim in relays, or have maybe one kid competing in an individual race in which the kid usually places poorly in. Any team that can manage to bring fifteen kids to the meet, and have half of them competing and placing well in individual events can win the meet. When you have a team like the Mission Viejo Natadores feeding kids directly to Mission Viejo High, it's really easy to do that.

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Post by MDDad » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:24 am

perspixx wrote: 1988 and?
I think 1988 was their only one.

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Post by ocexport » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:42 am

I love this topic, and like I always post, Esperanza in 92-93 had 5 in one year for boys...baseball, football, soccer, volleyball, and waterpolo.

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Post by MDDad » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:44 am

Just for the hell of it, here are the ten programs in Orange County that have won ten or more CIF championships:

25 Mission Viejo, Boys Swimming
19 Mater Dei, Boys Basketball
16 Brea-Olinda, Girls Basketball
16 Mission Viejo, Girls Swimming
13 Calvary Chapel, Wrestling
12 Corona del Mar, Boys Water Polo
12 Newport Harbor, Boys Water Polo
11 Laguna Beach, Girls Tennis
10 Corona del Mar, Girls Cross Country
10 Corona del Mar, Boys Tennis

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Post by Sports Junkie » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:46 am

edac25 wrote: Same could be said for everything and anything Mater Dei has ever accomplished on the basketball court. Their success is a "direct offshoot" of McKnight's relationships with the So Cal AAU Program. Unlike MD however, Mission wins when it's supposed to win...McKnight has developed a reputation for underachieving.
Edac - You truly are a dumba$$. The team losses two years in a row to teams that made it to the state final and state semi final respectively, and all of a sudden Coach McKnight has a reputation for underachieving? Winning 19 CIF championships in 24 years prior to the last two proves otherwise.

If you want an example of underachieving, how about...Not beating your rival in 20 years in football...Or only winning 1 out of 42 games in the past 25 years in basketball, and that includes not playing each other for 6 years.

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Post by slowyoroll » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:51 am

Sports Junkie wrote:
Edac - You truly are a dumba$$. The team losses two years in a row to teams that made it to the state final and state semi final respectively, and all of a sudden Coach McKnight has a reputation for underachieving? Winning 19 CIF championships in 24 years prior to the last two proves otherwise.

If you want an example of underachieving, how about...Not beating your rival in 20 years in football...Or only winning 1 out of 42 games in the past 25 years in basketball, and that includes not playing each other for 6 years
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Post by perspixx » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:05 am

Add in Newport Harbor's 7 volleyball titles, Pacifica's six softball championships and Villa Park's six straight badminton team titles, and it looks like Orange County has had dynasty-level programs in everything but baseball.
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Post by MDDad » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:25 am

perspixx wrote:Add in Newport Harbor's 7 volleyball titles, Pacifica's six softball championships and Villa Park's six straight badminton team titles, and it looks like Orange County has had dynasty-level programs in everything but baseball.
I don't know if it's a dynasty or not, but Capo Valley has won six CIF titles in baseball.

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Post by WalkingE » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:37 am

I think it's tougher to repeat in baseball than in any other sport.

How many CIF titles did La Quinta win in the 90s-00s? I was under the impression that they had won more than a few in that span.
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Post by MDDad » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:33 pm

WalkingE wrote:I think it's tougher to repeat in baseball than in any other sport.

How many CIF titles did La Quinta win in the 90s-00s? I was under the impression that they had won more than a few in that span.
They won three -- 1994, 1995 and 2003.

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Post by perspixx » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:09 pm

MDDad wrote:
I don't know if it's a dynasty or not, but Capo Valley has won six CIF titles in baseball.

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You're right. I counted five but didn't look at 2009.
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Post by pattywannamack » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:10 pm

greeniron2 wrote:That is neither true nor logical that it is easier to win a swim meet than a basketball game. If it only "takes 10" kids to win a swim meet, how many do you think it takes to win a basketball game? 5 can win it, 7 helps. Hell, with 3 great players you should be able to win a basketball game, so by your logic, it must be twice as hard to win a swim meet as a basketball game.
Every year that I have swam, Santa Margarita has won the Trinity League Finals meet. The reason being is that they have the most swimmers of any team in the Trinity League. Mater Dei has actually had the best high end talent these past few years, and this was proven by the fact that we did better than Santa Margarita in CIF. However, because Santa Margarita is able to field so many swimmers they are able to capture the points gained by low placings, which when added up, offset most of the outright victories that Mater Dei has in its events.

The same concept applies to CIF. In the CIF swim meet there's about 20+ teams that compete. Maybe half of those teams are able to place swimmers in the top three for one of their individual events or relays. The result is that the scoring is incredibly scattered throughout the competition. As one team may outright win an event, but won't score any more points outside of that event. Or one team may not win any events at all, but may have a high score because they are able to have swimmers race in a greater number of events and thus they have more opportunities to rack up small points. All it really takes is a team to consistently place swimmers on the blocks for events to win the meet. With a direct feed from a swim club, it's incredibly easy to do this because many of the swimmers supplied by the club qualify to swim in the CIF meet (which is an accomplishment in and of itself), AND they are also able to place well in their individual events.

The point I am trying to make is that it's a lot harder for the average school to assemble 20+ CIF qualified swimmers to be competitive in the CIF meet than it is for a school to come up with 5 great basketball players. Because no other school could produce such a consistent amount of CIF qualified swimmers without the help of a club, Mission Viejo's success in swimming was a virtual cake walk. In basketball many schools still receive at least one or two very talented players, and due to the nature of the sport they can build these teams around those players and still find themselves being fairly successful. This means that Mater Dei faces stronger competition year in and year out because it's a lot easier for schools to assemble competitive teams against them, than it was for Mission Viejo's competition when they made their run.
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Post by oracle » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:48 pm

pattywannamack wrote:
Every year that I have swam, Santa Margarita has won the Trinity League Finals meet. The reason being is that they have the most swimmers of any team in the Trinity League. Mater Dei has actually had the best high end talent these past few years, and this was proven by the fact that we did better than Santa Margarita in CIF. However, because Santa Margarita is able to field so many swimmers they are able to capture the points gained by low placings, which when added up, offset most of the outright victories that Mater Dei has in its events.

The same concept applies to CIF. In the CIF swim meet there's about 20+ teams that compete. Maybe half of those teams are able to place swimmers in the top three for one of their individual events or relays. The result is that the scoring is incredibly scattered throughout the competition. As one team may outright win an event, but won't score any more points outside of that event. Or one team may not win any events at all, but may have a high score because they are able to have swimmers race in a greater number of events and thus they have more opportunities to rack up small points. All it really takes is a team to consistently place swimmers on the blocks for events to win the meet. With a direct feed from a swim club, it's incredibly easy to do this because many of the swimmers supplied by the club qualify to swim in the CIF meet (which is an accomplishment in and of itself), AND they are also able to place well in their individual events.

The point I am trying to make is that it's a lot harder for the average school to assemble 20+ CIF qualified swimmers to be competitive in the CIF meet than it is for a school to come up with 5 great basketball players. Because no other school could produce such a consistent amount of CIF qualified swimmers without the help of a club, Mission Viejo's success in swimming was a virtual cake walk. In basketball many schools still receive at least one or two very talented players, and due to the nature of the sport they can build these teams around those players and still find themselves being fairly successful. This means that Mater Dei faces stronger competition year in and year out because it's a lot easier for schools to assemble competitive teams against them, than it was for Mission Viejo's competition when they made their run.
Very Observant Patty and hit the nail on the head. Mission Viejo had the benefit of the Nadadores Swim club, back in the late 1960's when their facilities were built it was the finest swim facility in the country, every family that had a kid that felt had potential as a swimmer moved to Mission Viejo. I recall a number of foreign athletes coming to the US to live, so they could train and all of them enrolled at MV high school. There was nothing improper but it did give MV a great advantage.
The thing about basketball, MD doesn't always have the best team, but they consistanly have a good team, each year there are a number of very good basketball teams, just as you said, it may only take two or three good players to make a good or great team, so the field is generally pretty competitive in basketball.

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Post by perspixx » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:56 pm

The Nadadores started in 1968, but the Diablos didn't win a CIF swimming title until 1975. Before them, Foothill had won four in a row.
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Post by hated » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:54 pm

diablofan wrote:So its safe to say Mission Viejo High School is the premier public school for sports in the county? :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
PREMIER PUBLIC SCHOOL? HOW MANY OF THOSE FOOTBALL TITLES WERE DIV I OR THE TOP DIVISION ?

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Post by hated » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:03 pm

NORCOW HAS NEVER LOST A CIF TITLE IN TUMBLEWEED CHASING ! =D>

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