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Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by SoMelo » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:37 pm

Fryer column: Appeals from the county likely wouldn't get support.

By STEVE FRYER
OCVARSITY.COM
Orange County leagues likely will look very different next school year.

New league alignments will be voted upon at the CIF-Southern Section Council meeting Thursday in Long Beach. Council members are representatives of all of the section's 78 leagues, conferences and associations. New alignments would be in place for a four-year period beginning with the 2010-2011 school year.

The proposed changes in Orange County:

•Esperanza moves from the Sunset to the Century League, making the Century a seven-school league.

•Western moves from the Orange to the Empire League, which also gets new school Yorba Linda; Katella replaces Western in the Orange

•Loara moves to the Golden West League, from which Saddleback departs for the Orange Coast.

•The Sea View League is no longer, with teams moving to various leagues: Huntington Beach goes to the Sunset, where it replaces Esperanza; Northwood and Woodbridge move to the Pacific Coast; and El Toro and Trabuco Hills move to the South Coast Conference.

•The South Coast Conference is a grouping of 10 schools which can be organized into leagues within the conference for different sports; the South Coast Conference's football leagues, for example, might be different from the conference's girls basketball leagues. The 10 South Coast Conference schools are Aliso Niguel, Capistrano Valley, Dana Hills, Mission Viejo, San Clemente, Tesoro, El Toro, Trabuco Hills, Laguna Hills and San Juan Hills.

Only Orange County Area representatives can vote on the Orange County Area proposal. Only a majority is needed for passage. Once the proposal passes, any school area can appeal the decision of the area.

Areas are semi-geographic – the Orange County Area does not include small schools like Brethren Christian and St. Margaret's, for example, which are in the Small Schools Area, and St. John Bosco of Bellflower is in the Orange County Area for the purpose of being grouped with teams that make up the Trinity League.

There could be as many as three appeals in the Orange County Area, which is among nine areas within the CIF-Southern Section. All will have proposals at Thursday's Council session. Appeals could come from Brea Olinda, Laguna Hills and Western.

Appeals must be based upon only one point, which is that releaguing procedures, as specified by CIF-SS rules and regulations, were not followed. It is going to be quite a challenge for any Orange County school to convince the CIF-SS Council that procedures were not followed, because a grand majority of county school and league representatives feel that the releaguing process was fair and all procedures were followed.

Once an appeal is introduced, there is a call for a second motion, and if that occurs then discussion of the appeal ensues. Then the appeal is voted upon by the entire CIF-SS Council – not just the Orange County Area's representatives in the Council.

It is the experience here, from watching this process for 20 years, that CIF-SS Council members from outside of Orange County think Orange County is whacky when it comes to releaguing. O.C. folks complain about a 20-mile commute, when in some areas and leagues 20 miles is the distance between schools' closest rivals. And those non-O.C. people think that when O.C. representatives talk about travel woes that the real beef is about the opportunity to win.

The non-O.C. people on the Council might not be sympathetic toward an O.C. appeal.

It is going to be an interesting Council meeting. The prediction here is that the O.C. proposal that goes before the Council will pass, and it will be too difficult to convince the Council that procedures were not followed during the O.C. releaguing process.

Taking a look around Orange County high school sports:

•There will be a non-perishable food drive at the Servite-Mater Dei game Friday at Santa Ana Stadium. The project is organized by Connelly student Alexine Gallagher. So, if you are going to the game, bring canned items or boxed foods (cereal, rice, etc.) and there will be donation areas at the gates.

•The Fullerton football players will wear pink shirts to school Thursday and at Friday's game against Buena Park they will wear pink sweatbands and pink tape as part of this being Breast Cancer Awareness month. The players' mothers will wear those pink shirts to the game. Every Fullerton player and coach has been touched, directly or indirectly, by cancer – and so has everyone you and I know.

•The CIF-Southern Section's Champions for Character program last week honored Fullerton softball player Gabrielle Castillo for community service, and Loara for its overall high character in athletics. They were honored at a luncheon last week at The Grand in Long Beach.

•Five county teams are included in prepvolleyball.com's national top 100: Newport Harbor, at No. 14; No. 38 Los Alamitos; No. 41 El Dorado; No. 72 Corona del Mar; and No. 94 Orange Lutheran. The No. 1 team is Archbishop Mitty of San Jose. Some CIF-SS teams that were high in those rankings are No. 4 Dos Pueblos of Goleta and No. 12 Santa Barbara.


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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by SoMelo » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:41 pm

Also tweeted:

latsondheimer: Stunning news. Oaks Christian and St. Bonaventure are moving to the Marmonte League for football only in 2010. An appeal was accepted.

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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by perspixx » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:17 pm

I hate leagues with an odd number of teams.
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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by SoMelo » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:22 pm

[size=150]Releaguing: The Orange County leagues[/size]
October 22nd, 2009, 5:57 pm · Post a Comment · posted by DAN ALBANO, ocvarsity.com
Many Orange County leagues will have new looks for a four-year cycle that begins with the fall sports in 2010 and ends with the spring sports in 2014.

Take a look at the changes in each of the leagues, then use the comments fields to let us know what you think.

Will the changes shake up the competitive balance in some of the key leagues? What do you think of moves such as Esperanza going into the Century League or the creation of the South Coast Conference?

Here are the Orange County leagues:
Link because God forbid they just put it all in 1 article

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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by perspixx » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:34 pm

Century League (7 teams)
Brea Olinda
Canyon
El Dorado
El Modena
Esperanza
Foothill
Villa Park

Empire League (7 teams)
Cypress
Kennedy
Pacifica
Tustin
Valencia
Western
Yorba Linda

Holy crap, the Empire League is a murderers' row now. I don't understand the need to stack the league like this; they should split the good teams between the Empire and Orange to get more good teams into the playoffs. Poor Yorba Linda is going to get slaughtered.

Freeway League: No changes (Poor Buena Park)
Garden Grove League: No changes

Golden West League (6 teams)
Loara
Ocean View
Orange
Santa Ana
Segerstrom
Westminster

Loara football can start thinking about the playoffs now.

Orange League:

Anaheim
Century
Katella
Magnolia
Santa Ana Valley
Savanna

They're going to give this league three playoff berths!? At least drop them out of the Southwest Division

Orange Coast League:

Calvary Chapel
Costa Mesa
Estancia
Godinez
Laguna Beach
Saddleback

They're going to give this league three playoff berths!?

Pacific Coast League:

Beckman
Corona del Mar
Irvine
Northwood
University
Woodbridge

Huzzah! I've been proposing this one since Beckman opened.

Pacific Coast Conference:
Aliso Niguel
Capistrano Valley
Dana Hills
El Toro
Laguna Hills
Mission Viejo
San Clemente
San Juan Hills
Tesoro
Trabuco Hills

What a mess. They should split it into two league for football. If they do, they should put Dana Hills, El Toro, Mission Viejo, San Clemente, Tesoro and Trabuco Hills in one league (Pac-5) and Aliso, Capo, Laguna and San Juan into the other (Southwest Division).


Sunset League:

Edison
Fountain Valley
Huntington Beach
Los Alamitos
Marina
Newport Harbor

We're back where we started.

Trinity League: no changes

Small Schools: The only real change is that Paraclete is gone from Whittier Christian's league; that's good for Whittier Christian. Less competition and less travel.
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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by SoMelo » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:50 pm

Yorba Linda may get slaughtered the first year or 2 but don't forget they beat Crean this year... :thumbsup:

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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by 1stngoal » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:45 pm

Pacific Coast Conference:
Aliso Niguel
Capistrano Valley
Dana Hills
El Toro
Laguna Hills
Mission Viejo
San Clemente
San Juan Hills
Tesoro
Trabuco Hills

What a mess. They should split it into two league for football. If they do, they should put Dana Hills, El Toro, Mission Viejo, San Clemente, Tesoro and Trabuco Hills in one league (Pac-5) and Aliso, Capo, Laguna and San Juan into the other (Southwest Division).


It will Be two 5 team leagues not a 6 and a 4.......most likley as follows

Aliso...Capo...Laguna Hills...El toro...San Juan Hills

Dana....Mission......san Clemente.....Tesoro.......Trabuco Hills

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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by perspixx » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:15 pm

1stngoal wrote:


It will Be two 5 team leagues not a 6 and a 4.......most likley as follows

Aliso...Capo...Laguna Hills...El toro...San Juan Hills

Dana....Mission......san Clemente.....Tesoro.......Trabuco Hills
I hate odd-numbered leagues, but they will break it into 5-team leagues because it gives them six automatic berths instead of five, which is what they'd get with the 6-and-4 set-up.
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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by Country » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:00 pm

1stngoal wrote:


It will Be two 5 team leagues not a 6 and a 4.......most likley as follows

Aliso...Capo...Laguna Hills...El toro...San Juan Hills

Dana....Mission......san Clemente.....Tesoro.......Trabuco Hills
I like that set up. But can you imagine if the principals vote for it in a way to better their chances of taking two division titles ? They could place Dana, SC or Tesoro in the Sea View league thus competing in the SW division. :shock:
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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by TommyTrojan » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:35 am

CIF evaluates the playoff divisions every two years and will look at what schools now make up a league to determine what division they are to be in. IN a conference situation, each "league" is viewed independently and placed accordingly. Because of this, you won't see a league with San Clemente, Tesoro, Mission or perhaps even Dana being placed into anything other than the Pac-5. While Bob Johnson may be clamoring for a move out of the Pac-5, CIF isn't going to do it.

While the principals of the new SCC could rank each school 1-10 and put odd numbers in one group and even in another, don't count on it. The only schools that backed this conference idea are the Capo District schools and they did so in hopes of keeping the Capo's, Aliso's and San Juan's away from Mission. The real debate will be over the idea of different leagues for each sport or two set leagues.

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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by Lancer4Life » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:51 am

SoMelo wrote:Yorba Linda may get slaughtered the first year or 2 but don't forget they beat Crean this year... :thumbsup:
That must have been a barn burner of a game since Crean hasn't won a game yet
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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by SoMelo » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:54 am

Lancer4Life wrote: That must have been a barn burner of a game since Crean hasn't won a game yet
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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by Old School » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:07 am

5 team leagues should not be allowed when you have even number of teams. Why the CIF lets leagues work the system is beyond me. 3 out of 5 or 4 out of 7 teams getting automatic bid is just stupid. I remember when only first place teams were guaranteed spots and the rest were wild card, then they expanded the playoffs and six team and eight team leagues got three teams in ....which created another round of complaints
There should be an OC Connect Trinity Board...

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Post by Lancer4Life » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:09 am

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Re: Expect approval for new league alignments

Post by ocexport » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:50 am

Yorby scored on 5 of their first 8 or so touches...with a punt return called back too. All skill guys were out by the middle of the second quarter.

With the weightroom almost complete the offseason will determine how they compete in the new league...it is going to be rough the fist two years...

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