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Atmosphere Above Japan Heated Rapidly Before M9 Earthquake

Post by kramer » Wed May 18, 2011 1:38 pm

From MIT:

Infrared emissions above the epicenter increased dramatically in the days before the devastating earthquake in Japan, say scientists.

"Last year, we looked at some fascinating data from the DEMETER spacecraft showing a significant increase in ultra-low frequency radio signals [sounds like HAARP... :wink: ]before the magnitude 7 Haiti earthquake in January 2010"


Maybe we're finally on the way to be able to spot earthquakes before they occur...
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

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Post by Fordama » Wed May 18, 2011 1:40 pm

kramer wrote:From MIT:

Infrared emissions above the epicenter increased dramatically in the days before the devastating earthquake in Japan, say scientists.

"Last year, we looked at some fascinating data from the DEMETER spacecraft showing a significant increase in ultra-low frequency radio signals [sounds like HAARP... :wink: ]before the magnitude 7 Haiti earthquake in January 2010"


Maybe we're finally on the way to be able to spot earthquakes before they occur...
Perhaps. Unfortunately this is going to spur the HAARP conspiracy loons in the other direction--that the NWO is causing the earthquakes with HAARP!

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Post by kramer » Tue May 24, 2011 7:46 pm

Fordama wrote: Perhaps. Unfortunately this is going to spur the HAARP conspiracy loons in the other direction--that the NWO is causing the earthquakes with HAARP!

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"Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."
Defense William S. Cohen - Apr '97

Looks like William Cohen is a conspiracy loon.
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Post by Parrotpaul » Tue May 24, 2011 8:07 pm

kramer wrote:

"Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."
Defense William S. Cohen - Apr '97

Looks like William Cohen is a conspiracy loon.
The full text of his answer reveals a different context than you conclude about Cohen using your one statement standing alone in its own context as support for something quite different when used in the full context of Cohen's answer... I believe he was discussing the impact of false reports of scary kinds of things and scary kinds of rumors.

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves
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Post by kramer » Tue May 24, 2011 8:21 pm

Paul wrote: The full text of his answer reveals a different context than you attribute to Cohen. I believe he was discussing the impact of false reports of scary kinds of things and scary kinds of rumors.

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves
Good point. However, this comment of his: "Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate," is echoed by the European Parliament and not in the context of false reports:

"T. whereas, despite the existing conventions, military research is ongoing on environmental manipulation as a weapon, as demonstrated for example by the Alaska-based HAARP system,"

"HAARP - a weapons system which disrupts the climate"

"HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) is run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy, in conjunction with the Geophysical Institute of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. Similar experiments are also being conducted in Norway, probably in the Antarctic, as well as in the former Soviet Union.(22) HAARP is a research project using a ground based apparatus, an array of antennae each powered by its own transmitter, to heat up portions of ionosphere with powerful radio beams.(23) The energy generated heats up parts of the ionosphere; this results in holes in the ionosphere and produces artificial 'lenses'."
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

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Post by Fordama » Wed May 25, 2011 5:27 am

Paul wrote: The full text of his answer reveals a different context than you conclude about Cohen using your one statement standing alone in its own context as support for something quite different when used in the full context of Cohen's answer... I believe he was discussing the impact of false reports of scary kinds of things and scary kinds of rumors.

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves
Shocker! Kramer takes a quote out of context and turns it into alleged evidence of conspiracy!

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Post by Fordama » Wed May 25, 2011 5:31 am

kramer wrote: Good point. However, this comment of his: "Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate," is echoed by the European Parliament and not in the context of false reports:
Actually it was. The whole paragraph spoke of phantom moles and what they've caused.

My favorite--which he didn't mention--was the "psy gap." The idea that the USSR was working on using ESP as a weapon. We spent resources trying to close that "gap" over the years.

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Fordama wrote: Shocker! Kramer takes a quote out of context and turns it into alleged evidence of conspiracy!

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That 'out of context' quote also mentions an eco-type of terrorism where we "can alter the climate." If you had read my following post, the European Parliament talks about "HAARP - a weapons system which disrupts the climate" and not in the context of a fantasy weapon.
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

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Post by kramer » Wed May 25, 2011 5:44 am

Paul wrote: The full text of his answer reveals a different context than you conclude about Cohen using your one statement standing alone in its own context as support for something quite different when used in the full context of Cohen's answer... I believe he was discussing the impact of false reports of scary kinds of things and scary kinds of rumors.

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves
I just read this paragraph again and the highlighted part in red font doesn't sound to me like it's in the context of a "false threat."
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

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Post by Fordama » Wed May 25, 2011 5:47 am

kramer wrote:
That 'out of context' quote also mentions an eco-type of terrorism where we "can alter the climate." If you had read my following post, the European Parliament talks about "HAARP - a weapons system which disrupts the climate" and not in the context of a fantasy weapon.
Right. In the context of being political loonies with little understanding of what has been going on at HAARP--which is quite an open facility, not the great secret that many whackaloons have been trying to make it out to be.

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Fordama wrote: Right. In the context of being political loonies with little understanding of what has been going on at HAARP--which is quite an open facility, not the great secret that many whackaloons have been trying to make it out to be.

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I scanned through that Euro Parliament link and it does not state HAARP in the context of political loonies. And I re-read Cohen's comment that Paul highlighted and now I believe Paul is wrong.
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kramer wrote: I scanned through that Euro Parliament link and it does not state HAARP in the context of political loonies
All you had to do was read the page that you linked.

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Post by kramer » Wed May 25, 2011 6:48 am

Fordama wrote:All you had to do was read the page that you linked.

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I linked to 2 pages. Which one?

Or, what specific quote can you show from that page that puts this discussion in the context of loonies? Show me the specific text so we don't end up going down a rabbit hole...
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Post by Fordama » Wed May 25, 2011 6:52 am

kramer wrote:
I linked to 2 pages. Which one?

Or, what specific quote can you show from that page that puts this discussion in the context of loonies?
The one from the EU that the politician thinks that HAARP is some sort of weather weapon. Loony.

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Post by kramer » Wed May 25, 2011 2:25 pm

Fordama wrote: The one from the EU that the politician thinks that HAARP is some sort of weather weapon. Loony.

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Cohen's and the EU comments show it's not loony.
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

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Post by Fordama » Wed May 25, 2011 10:02 pm

kramer wrote:
Cohen's and the EU comments show it's not loony.
Yeah, because we know all European politicians are cracker-jack science experts!

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Post by kramer » Fri May 27, 2011 2:52 pm

Fordama wrote: Yeah, because we know all European politicians are cracker-jack science experts!

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What are you saying, that the only people in politics are qualified to talk about new types of weapons are people with science backgrounds? Where does this leave our military generals and experts who don't have backgrounds in science? What about William Cohen, who brought up the possibility of earthquake and weather weapons?
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Ionospheric electron enhancement preceding the 2011 Tohoku-Oki earthquake

The 2011 March 11 Tohoku-Oki earthquake (Mw9.0) caused vast damages to the country. Large events beneath dense observation networks could bring breakthroughs to seismology and geodynamics, and here I report one such finding. The Japanese dense network of Global Positioning System (GPS) detected clear precursory positive anomaly of ionospheric total electron content (TEC) around the focal region. It started ∼40 minutes before the earthquake and reached nearly ten percent of the background TEC. It lasted until atmospheric waves arrived at the ionosphere. Similar preseismic TEC anomalies, with amplitudes dependent on magnitudes, were seen in the 2010 Chile earthquake (Mw8.8), and possibly in the 2004 Sumatra-Andaman (Mw9.2) and the 1994 Hokkaido-Toho-Oki (Mw8.3) earthquakes, but not in smaller earthquakes.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2 ... 7908.shtml
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Post by Parrotpaul » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:00 pm

Kramer...family discussion...no one has a clue. I figured you might know. Does a refrigerator freezer use more, less, or about the same amount of energy cooling a full freezer as it does cooling an empty freezer?
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Post by AsIfYouKnew » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:55 pm

Parrotpaul wrote:Kramer...family discussion...no one has a clue. I figured you might know. Does a refrigerator freezer use more, less, or about the same amount of energy cooling a full freezer as it does cooling an empty freezer?
If the contents are already cold, less. If it has to freeze them, more, until they are frozen, and then less.

I know I am not Kramer, but I am certain of the answer. BTW, the best way to kill a freezer is to keep it empty.
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