Speed of light: Another scientific consensus going down?

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Speed of light: Another scientific consensus going down?

Post by kramer » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:00 am

Puzzling results from Cern, home of the Large Hadron Collider, have confounded physicists because subatomic particles seem to have beaten the speed of light.

Neutrinos sent through the ground from Cern toward the Gran Sasso laboratory 732km away in Italy seemed to show up a tiny fraction of a second early.

The results - which threatens to upend a century of physics - were put online for scrutiny by other scientists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484
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Re: Speed of light: Another scientific consensus going down?

Post by Charles » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:45 am

This is starting to look like a pretty big deal. Lots of talk on the news about this. CERN is seeking scrutiny of its "discovery". Interesting.

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Post by SLK230 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:54 am

First Global Warming being man made and now the "Speed of Light".

Amazing.
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Post by Parrotpaul » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:59 am

So, that would make all the calculations using E=MC2 wrong...the speed of light was presumed to be a constant...no?
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Re: Speed of light: Another scientific consensus going down?

Post by oceanvue » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:02 am

ah ha....that means I was right and I didn't flunk 9th grade science an unprecedented 6 times in a row
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Post by Parrotpaul » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:08 am

oceanvue wrote:ah ha....that means I was right and I didn't flunk 9th grade science an unprecedented 6 times in a row
I'd sue.....incompetent, overpaid, flush with perqs and benefits public schools.
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Post by oceanvue » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:09 am

I would but I'm afraid they'd make me give my trophy back and I have nothing to replace it with on the mantle
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Post by SLK230 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:17 am

Parrotpaul wrote:So, that would make all the calculations using E=MC2 wrong...the speed of light was presumed to be a constant...no?

It was assumed that the speed of light could not be exceeded.
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Post by Parrotpaul » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:20 am

SLK230 wrote:

It was assumed that the speed of light could not be exceeded.
Nor diminished..the speed of light was always the speed of light...a constant.

Energy is equal to the mass times the speed of light squared. It was assumed there could be only one speed of light.
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Post by SLK230 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:22 am

Parrotpaul wrote: Nor diminished..the speed of light was always the speed of light...a constant.

Energy is equal to the mass times the speed of light squared. It was assumed there could be only one speed of light.
Correct. Until they develop "Warp Drive".
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Post by oceanvue » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:53 am

Parrotpaul wrote:I'd sue.....incompetent, overpaid, flush with perqs and benefits public schools.

my argument was; if Einstein is so smart why do people call others Einstein when they do something stupid
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Post by Notorious » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:59 am

Everything I've read says it's a big deal but it's not. It doesn't really change the way we live or anything and the speed of light is still a constant. It always travels at the speed it's traveling, it's just this particular subatomic particle travels faster than light. CERN is certainly hoping it's proven wrong though, mainly because I think they all think Einstein was God.
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Re: Speed of light: Another scientific consensus going down?

Post by kramer » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:35 am

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Oops:

Bad Cable May Be to Blame in Flawed Faster-Than-Light Experiment
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories
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Post by MDDad » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:57 am

kramer wrote:Bad Cable May Be to Blame in Flawed Faster-Than-Light Experiment
That's interesting. Time-Warner has always told me a bad cable degrades transmission, not speeds it up. Someone is blowing buttsmoke.

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Re: Speed of light: Another scientific consensus going down?

Post by crayegg » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:01 am

Parrotpaul wrote: Nor diminished..the speed of light was always the speed of light...a constant.
The speed of light in a vacuum is the constant. The speed of light diminishes all the time when it is going through different materials such as air, water or glass.

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