Political and Religious Attacks on Science

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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby Fordama » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:03 pm

The komrade moniker fits you better than me.


No, it doesn't--you see science as Joe Stalin saw science--as a way to further your politics. I see science as science.


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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby kramer » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:28 pm

Science is science. But climate 'science' is being leveraged to push a left-wing political agenda. I'm trying to stop this political push to global socialism in order to keep what's left of what the founding fathers gave us.
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

- Scientist James Lovelock

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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby Fordama » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:41 am

To you, science is simply a platform for advancing a political agenda, and the products of science are created to fit that agenda.
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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby kramer » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:43 pm

What you said sounds like the definition of technocracy:
a government or social system that is controlled or influenced by experts in science or technology; the fact of a government or social system being influenced by such experts :

Link:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dict ... echnocracy




And this "advancing of a political agenda" is happening with climate 'science' in a big way. Its being leveraged to bring about global redistribution of wealth, a global socialist government, (other things that I've not mentioned), and virtually control of everything we do since virtually everything we do has a carbon footprint.

My often futile (to the DNC base) posts here are to flag this political leveraging of shoddy and corrupt climate 'science' for the benefit of socialism to people like you whose collective stupidity was easily leveraged by the DNC/Obama to pass Obamacare (according to Jonathan Gruber, the architect of this scheme that funds the bulk of it on the backs of the middle class so the rich can preserve more of their wealth). You're a towering testament to this futility.
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

- Scientist James Lovelock

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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby Fordama » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:09 pm

And this "advancing of a political agenda" is happening with climate 'science' in a big way


The science is the driver. In your case, politics is the driver. You want to ignore the science because you don't like the solutions. So you simply say it isn't happening. Not a new story for conservatives.

Racism--isn't happening any more.
Sexism--isn't happening any more.

And so on. Problems are not to be solved, but to be ignored. Sad.
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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby kramer » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:15 pm

You're right that politics is my driver. I'm trying to prevent the left from driving exaggerated climate change scenarios in a way that'll result in them getting their left wing global political wishes finally fulfilled.

And here's a solution to consider: Let the hole world except the US switch to the global warming 'solutions.' We can stay on fossil fuels which will reduce the amount of CO2 in the air in an immense way but still will slightly reduce the world's heating bills and also help nourish their crops. We could then charge the world a global tax for these benefits, /no sarc

Sound good?
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

- Scientist James Lovelock

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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby Fordama » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:52 pm

kramer wrote:You're right that politics is my driver.


No ****, Sherlock.

But the science says there's a problem, and that's what I care about.

Of course you could have just said that after my original post.
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Re: Political and Religious Attacks on Science

Postby kramer » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:54 pm

You don't care about fixing the problem because the problem is highly exaggerated and you know it. Your in this "cause" because you want a left-wing global socialist government.

In other words, politics is YOUR driver!
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“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”

- Scientist James Lovelock

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