Sustainability is a Rockefeller funded socialist plan for the world

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Re: Sustainability is a Rockefeller funded socialist plan for the world

Postby kramer » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:41 pm

I've caught you in an outright lie at least once.

In addition, you often quote me saying things that when I go search for the quoted phrases I supposedly wrote, I can never find them (and I've used the search here quite often so I know how to use it). This said, maybe I don't understand how quotes work. I was taught that when person X says person Y said "type something here", then those words in those quotes are exactly what Y said according to person X.
You do this often regarding what you say I stated and the times that I went to see exactly what I wrote, I never found one instance of what you *quoted* me writing.

It'd be stupid to believe somebody who isn't credible or truthful.


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Postby kramer » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:43 pm

Some choice Fordama quotes (of many similar ones) that are now moot: :D



I've shown in this thread that climate 'science' is being used to bring about global socialism. In other words, it has EVERYTHING to do with politics.




Again, I've shown in this post that science IS being used to further a political end: a global socialist world.

(Wonder if Fordama will man up and admit he was wrong?...)
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Postby Fordama » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:42 pm

Doesn't change the science. The warming and rising ocean doesn't care about our politics. The increasing number of anomalous and extreme weather phenomena will not care about our politics. The species quickly dying out because their local habitat's climate is changing faster then they can evolve won't care about our politics.

The fact that many like you who consider themselves "conservative" chooses denial and inaction instead of action clears the path for more liberal solutions.

It's your own fault.
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Postby kramer » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:49 pm

The oceans have been rising on their own for 20,000 years. And they've just stopped rising in the last 2 or so years (a temporary pause I'm sure...)
The last IPCC report says there isn't conclusive proof of more extreme weather. Give specific examples Fordama...
Reports of the extinction of millions of species on Earth have been greatly exaggerated, a team of scientists has said.
And the habits of species around the world is greening from plant fertilizer (CO2) which means they have more food to eat. :D

Finally, gravitas lacking liberals like you that are also a bit too intellectually lazy can't see that global warming "and the like" were ideas hatched by the Rockefeller funded Club of Rome' as a way to bring about global socialism which is clearing the path towards global communism.

"In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill."

The First Global Revolution published by the Club of Rome in 1991. Page 75
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Postby Wabash » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:04 pm

I'm all for supporting renewable energy from the current level of dependence on fossil fuels.
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Postby Fordama » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:48 am

kramer wrote:The oceans have been rising on their own for 20,000 years.

Yeah, they're too stupid to understand rates, those scientists!
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Postby Fordama » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:11 am

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Postby MDDad » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:38 am

Wabash wrote:I'm all for supporting renewable energy from the current level of dependence on fossil fuels.

Yeah, we heard you the first 20 times you said it.

Most thinking people "support" renewable energy. They just don't run toward it in a panic, screaming like their hair is on fire.

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Postby Professor Fate » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:15 am

So...if the claims of ice loss in Greenland are true, and it causes rising oceans, isn't this an example of a zero sum game? Places where people built too close to sea level become uninhabitable, but Greenland, Canada and Siberia become garden spots. :mrgreen:
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Postby Bick » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:24 am

I'm being lazy by not looking back on this thread, but has any of those on the left talked about the trade offs by pursuing this path?

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Postby Wabash » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:53 am

MDDad wrote:Most thinking people "support" renewable energy. They just don't run toward it in a panic, screaming like their hair is on fire.

So what is a proper pace?

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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:56 am

Bick - By "left" I assume you mean people who believe that science is real?
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Postby MDDad » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:11 pm

Except for a few flat-earthers, everyone believes science is real. Unfortunately, it can also be "edited" to support specific political agendas.

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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:28 pm

It can also be denied and made political to support specific political agendas.

What I think is funny in all this is that the big players - major manufacturers and power companies - are aligning with "the left" on this. Unusual, no?
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Postby MDDad » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:48 pm

I don't think science is being denied. The planet has been warming or cooling continuously for billions of years. What is being questioned is the manic contention that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this current warming cycle is entirely or overwhelmingly man-made, rather than part of a normal geological cycle, and can be reversed if we just "change our ways" immediately. The sheer hubris is mind-boggling.

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Postby Wabash » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:59 pm

Those who study the topic believe human activity has increased the rate of climate change.
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Postby John Q. Public » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:01 pm

People making it political could be called that but I'd hardly call scientific opinion developed over 40 years "manic".
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Postby MDDad » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:21 pm

Wabash wrote:Those who study the topic believe human activity has increased the rate of climate change.

By how much? 99%? 1%? Something in between? The answer goes a long way in determining how and how fast we should react.

JQP wrote:People making it political could be called that but I'd hardly call scientific opinion developed over 40 years "manic".

I think that's what I said.

For billions of years, global temperatures have gone up and down by much more than they are now. Ocean levels have risen and fallen by much more than they are now. The same goes for atmospheric CO2 levels and oceans pH levels. For our own species' convenience, about 90% of the human race decided to settle on lake shores, river banks and seashores just a few feet above sea level. If we think we can keep global temperatures and sea levels controlled within that tiny range that allows us the comforts we've gotten so used to, I suspect we're kidding ourselves. We aren't that omnipotent.

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Postby Bick » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:26 pm

John Q. Public wrote:Source of the post Bick - By "left" I assume you mean people who believe that science is real?


Yes of course. As opposed to the right who are deniers of "science".

If you can get past your need to assert some form of intellectual superiority for a moment, can you articulate what it is you want to see happen, what it will cost, and what the trade-offs will be?

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Postby Fordama » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:23 pm

MDDad wrote:I don't think science is being denied. The planet has been warming or cooling continuously for billions of years. What is being questioned is the manic contention that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this current warming cycle is entirely or overwhelmingly man-made, rather than part of a normal geological cycle, and can be reversed if we just "change our ways" immediately. The sheer hubris is mind-boggling.


First, the science is indeed being denied. Kramer is the poster boy for that. The denialists are heavily funded by the fossil fuel lobby. There is little to no doubt inside the legitimate scientific community that the cause of the climate change is caused by man.

Secondly, few are suggesting that we just "change our ways immediately." Of course, the longer we wait to make changes and the slower we make them, the more worse off we are likely to end up. The single largest initiative for change has been carbon credits--and that's an idea that conservatives helped develop and back years ago.
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