Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

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Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

Post by kramer » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:57 pm

Michael Mann: We Are Even Closer To Climate Disaster Than IPCC Predicts (<<-- Fordama, since you've taken it upon yourself to be the decider of 'what is and isn't a prediction', please check that the IPCC actually made a real prediction and not some wild-assed claim and then report back to us with your high-info findings...)
MICHAEL MANN: Yeah, so 1.5 degrees Celsius warming over the time scale of a century is unprecedented. As far back as we can go, we have not seen rates of warming that large. And in fact, the level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years.
Couple of observations:

1) "time scale of a century is unprecendeted?"

Really?

From Physorg:
Researchers show that global warming happened just as fast in the past as today

"Climate change in the earth's past faster than previously thought"
https://phys.org/news/2015-11-global-fast-today.html

Bonus enlightenment from kramer: "...than previously thought" is code speak for saying that previous peer reviewed studies were wrong. If you pay attention to some of the current MSM and science articles, they state this fairly often. Meanwhile, the socialist UN is leveraging this weak science in order to spend up to slightly over 100 trillion dollars to make the weather better and the world a better (socialist) place.

Bottom line: Mann's statement looks specious. And is he a dupe for socialists?

2) "the level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years."


The picture below is of a tree stump around 5,000 years old, 100km north of the current tree line. That means, 5,000 years ago, it was so warm that there were trees 100km north of the current tree line.


Again, this picture makes the second statement by Mann looks specious.

Mann is the creator of the hockey stick graph of temperature. It was later found out that some of his statistical methods were wrong and that if you fed his computer program data from a random number generator, it would create a hockey stick.
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Re: Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

Post by Fordama » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:01 am

The end of the Permian Age was about 250,000,000 years ago, and the climate change probably caused the extinction of about 90% of the life on Earth.That's more than tens of thousands of years by a considerable margin.
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Re: Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

Post by crayegg » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:27 am

Geez Kramer, you are genuinely terrified the the "Socialist" boogeyman, aren't you.

Relax Dude, its gonna be alright.

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Post by Fordama » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:07 pm

He has to hold his breath when driving over the publicly funded roads.
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Re: Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

Post by kramer » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:12 pm

crayegg wrote:Geez Kramer, you are genuinely terrified the the "Socialist" boogeyman, aren't you.

Relax Dude, its gonna be alright.
I am because if the entire world goes socialist, i think there's then a good chance it'll soon become communism controlled.
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Re: Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

Post by kramer » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:15 pm

Fordama wrote:The end of the Permian Age was about 250,000,000 years ago, and the climate change probably caused the extinction of about 90% of the life on Earth.That's more than tens of thousands of years by a considerable margin.
Doesn't matter. It's happened before and more than once. 10,000 years out of 4 billion is a tine fraction of time.
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Post by Fordama » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:28 am

Doesn't matter.
Yes, I get that facts, context, and overwhelming evidence doesn't matter to you.

Anything to maintain your political imperatives no matter the reality. You are as well indoctrinated as any mid-twentieth century Marxist.
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Re: Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

Post by kramer » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:55 pm

"I get that facts, context, and overwhelming evidence doesn't matter to you."

It is I who provides the facts w/links to back them up and you who provides the BS and occasional comment that is untruthful.

Where is the "overwhelming evidence" that CO2 is the temperature control knob and bad weather control knob?
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Post by Wabash » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:09 pm

kramer wrote: I am because if the entire world goes socialist, i think there's then a good chance it'll soon become communism controlled.
Almost every developed nation is either socialist or a capitalist/socialist hybrid. The only purely capitalist nation (no rules and free market) that comes to mind is something like Somalia. And for some reason no one is building or buying condos on the Horn of Africa.
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Re: Micheal Mann: "level of warmth that we’ve now reached is unprecedented in tens of thousands of years"

Post by Fordama » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:28 pm

kramer wrote:"I get that facts, context, and overwhelming evidence doesn't matter to you."

It is I who provides...
The idiotic. That's what you provide. You'd see a gopher hole at the base of Mt. Everest and go around screaming "it's hollow, it's hollow!"
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Post by Professor Fate » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:30 pm

That sounds a helluva lot more like your side Fordama.
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Post by MDDad » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:57 pm

Ford, I have to admit I've never heard conservatives screaming, "It's hollow, it's hollow!" But for years I've listened to liberals screaming, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

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Post by Fordama » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:17 pm

I didn't accuse conservatives of yelling "it's hollow."
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Post by Omar Bongo » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:30 pm

Everything is a "side" to the narrow-minded
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Post by Fordama » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:11 am

Professor Fate wrote:That sounds a helluva lot more like your side Fordama.
Only if you don't understand what I said.
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Post by John Q. Public » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:26 am

Omar Bongo wrote: Everything is a "side" to the narrow-minded
Isn't picking sides Step 2 of the scientific method? Right between "1. Remember who you're working for" and "3. Start with a conclusion"?
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