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Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:44 am
by MDDad
~44~ wrote:Moreno NEVER had a TV contract like the one he signed one day before the current epic spending spree. Me thinks its easy to spend cash when you actually have it. Right?.
When Time-Warner landed the Lakers (and probably soon the Dodgers) from Fox, Arte had Fox bent over the table with their pants down. Seeing his opportunity, he was able to increase his average annual TV revenue by $100 million. Unlike the McCourts, he didn't roll that windfall cash into another couple homes in Malibu, but instead landed the best starting pitcher and position player on the free agent market.

Angel fans can thank Time-Warner for the two early Christmas presents.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:22 am
by ~44~
MDDad wrote:
When Time-Warner landed the Lakers (and probably soon the Dodgers) from Fox, Arte had Fox bent over the table with their pants down. Seeing his opportunity, he was able to increase his average annual TV revenue by $100 million. Unlike the McCourts, he didn't roll that windfall cash into another couple homes in Malibu, but instead landed the best starting pitcher and position player on the free agent market.

Angel fans can thank Time-Warner for the two early Christmas presents.

Steve Garvey > Wally Joyner

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:58 am
by GOODave
MDDad wrote:
Dan Haren may be tall with long skinny legs, but he's not a Heron.
DANG it ... I was looking RIGHT AT his name on his stat sheet when I wrote that!

I wonder if this is the early stages of dimentia... which wouldn't be all bad, I don't suppose.
~44~ wrote:Arte should steal the Rams from them as well.
Now WOULDN'T That be poetic justice AND a hoot, all rolled into one.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:17 am
by MDDad
~44~ wrote:Steve Garvey > Wally Joyner
I agree, but

The 12 firstbasemen the baseball writers have voted into the hall of fame (Gehrig, Foxx, Musial, Banks, Carew, Terry, Sisler, Perez, Murray, Greenberg, Killebrew and McCovey) are way, way > Steve Garvey

The only way for Steve to get in now is if the Geezer Committee votes him in, like they did Orlando Cepeda. And getting voted in by the Geezer Committee is kind of like Justin Bieber's grandma telling him he's a really, really good singer. It's a sympathy vote for mediocre talent.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:49 am
by ~44~
Garvey:

10× All-Star (1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985)
World Series champion (1981)
4× Gold Glove Award winner (1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
1974 NL MVP
2× All-Star Game MVP (1974, 1978)
2× NLCS MVP (1978, 1984)
1981 Roberto Clemente Award
1984 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
San Diego Padres #6 retired



Compare him to another 1st baseman by the name of Willie McCovey:


6× All-Star selection (1963, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
1969 NL MVP
1959 NL Rookie of the Year
1969 MLB All-Star Game MVP
1977 NL Comeback Player of the Year
1977 Hutch Award
San Francisco Giants #44 retired

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:22 pm
by ~44~
Tony Perez is also in the HOF:

7× All-Star selection (1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1974, 1975, 1976)
3× World Series champion (1975, 1976, 1990)
1967 MLB All-Star Game MVP
1980 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
Cincinnati Reds #24 retired


Garvey > Perez

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:47 pm
by MDDad
~44~ wrote:Garvey:

10× All-Star (1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985)
World Series champion (1981)
4× Gold Glove Award winner (1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
1974 NL MVP
2× All-Star Game MVP (1974, 1978)
2× NLCS MVP (1978, 1984)
1981 Roberto Clemente Award
1984 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
San Diego Padres #6 retired



Compare him to another 1st baseman by the name of Willie McCovey:


6× All-Star selection (1963, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
1969 NL MVP
1959 NL Rookie of the Year
1969 MLB All-Star Game MVP
1977 NL Comeback Player of the Year
1977 Hutch Award
San Francisco Giants #44 retired
~44~ wrote:Tony Perez is also in the HOF:

7× All-Star selection (1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1974, 1975, 1976)
3× World Series champion (1975, 1976, 1990)
1967 MLB All-Star Game MVP
1980 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
Cincinnati Reds #24 retired


Garvey > Perez
And yet:

Willie McCovey was a 1st ballot HOFer, getting 81% of the vote.

Tony Perez made it in his 9th year, getting 50%, 55%, 58%, 56%, 66%, 66%, 68%, 61% and 77% of the vote.

And Steve-O struck out after 15 years on the ballot, getting 41%, 36%, 42%, 37%, 35%, 41%, 30%, 32%, 34%, 28%, 28%, 24%, 20%, 26% and 21% of the vote.

The voters must have known something we don't. But fear not. I think Steve-O will eventually get voted in by the Geezer Committee . . . just like Justin Bieber and his grandma.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:00 pm
by ~44~
Willie hit the 500 HR mark and that made him a shoe-in back then

You have to admit my Garvey > Perez arguement is at least valid. I don't want to get all blngy on you but I'm not giving up on this one. Perez was also a terrible manager.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:23 pm
by MDDad
~44~ wrote:Willie hit the 500 HR mark and that made him a shoe-in back then

You have to admit my Garvey > Perez arguement is at least valid. I don't want to get all blngy on you but I'm not giving up on this one. Perez was also a terrible manager.
I agree, McCovey got in the day he hit his 500th home run.

I also agree that your Garvey-Perez comparison is pretty accurate. But I think Perez is a very marginal hall-of-famer, so that's no real feather in Garvey's cap.

If you get the time, look at the career numbers for Garvey and Garret Anderson. They are almost identical for every single offensive stat, and Anderson played all three outfield positions, all of which are tougher than playing first base. And I don't think many people are going to argue that Anderson is a hall-of-famer.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:24 pm
by ~44~
What is the story with Juice-era guys?

Piazza should be in

12× All-Star (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005)
10× Silver Slugger Award winner (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
1993 NL Rookie of the Year
1996 MLB All-Star Game MVP
Batting average .308
Home runs 427
Runs batted in 1,335

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:30 pm
by MDDad
~44~ wrote:What is the story with Juice-era guys?

Piazza should be in
12× All-Star (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005)
10× Silver Slugger Award winner (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
1993 NL Rookie of the Year
1996 MLB All-Star Game MVP
Batting average .308
Home runs 427
Runs batted in 1,335
Dude, bide your time. Piazza isn't in because he doesn't go on the ballot for another year. He's the greatest offensive catcher in the history of the game, and if he doesn't get elected in his first three years, something's wrong.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:31 pm
by ~44~
MDDad wrote:
I agree, McCovey got in the day he hit his 500th home run.

I also agree that your Garvey-Perez comparison is pretty accurate. But I think Perez is a very marginal hall-of-famer, so that's no real feather in Garvey's cap.

If you get the time, look at the career numbers for Garvey and Garret Anderson. They are almost identical for every single offensive stat, and Anderson played all three outfield positions, all of which are tougher than playing first base. And I don't think many people are going to argue that Anderson is a hall-of-famer.

Tough to compare players from these very different eras. I will say Garvey DID standout at his position much more then Anderson did.

Garv 12 all-star games vs. 3 for Anderson.

Looking through the stats, I forgot how incredible Rod Carew was. .328 lifetime!!!! 3k hits. wow.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:40 pm
by MDDad
~44~ wrote:Garv 12 all-star games vs. 3 for Anderson.
That's partly a reflection of the competition though. Garvey played at a time when there weren't a lot of great first basemen in the National League. Jimmie Foxx wouldn't have been voted to many all-star teams because he played at the same time as Lou Gehrig, but Jimmie is probably the #2 first baseman of all time.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:46 pm
by Notorious
I've always felt All Star appearances are a worthless statistic.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:54 am
by GOODave
From the Angels website, they also picked up LaTroy Hawkins from Milwaukee for a 1-year, $3 million deal.

They're also looking at:
  • Joel Zumaya (Tigers): Young and cheap, but arm issues have kept him out of most of the last four seasons.
  • Darren Oliver (Rangers): threw 2.29 last year, but he's 41 and really wants to go back to the Rangers.
  • Francisco Cordero (Reds): 2.45 last year, but he's 39 and very expensive (for the Angels with both Pujols and Wilson now signed): Plus, he only wants a situation where he's the clear-cut closer.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 am
by ~44~
Ummmm, Gooooooooooman
This thread is about the HOF
Please do not re-hijack your own thread
rent saw

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:17 am
by GOODave
~44~ wrote:Ummmm, Gooooooooooman
This thread is about the HOF
Please do not re-hijack your own thread
rent saw
:oops:

Sorry, man ... don't know what I was thinking.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:52 am
by GOODave
I don't know how I missed this one fromthe Angel's website:
Angels Acquire LHP Brad Mills from Toronto
C Jeff Mathis Sent to Blue Jays


...Mills, 26, spent time at triple-A Las Vegas and Toronto in 2011. With the 51s, he started a team-high 24 games posting an 11-9 record with one complete game and a 4.00 ERA in a teamleading 157.1 IP (70 ER). Mills also paced the team with 136 strikeouts while walking just 39. With the Jays, the lefty made five appearances (four starts) going 1-2 with a 9.82 ERA (18.1 IP – 20 ER). 2011 marked his third stint up with the big league club as he made nine appearances (five starts) from 2009-10 (1-1; 7.80 ERA) as well. In his minor league career, he is 36-28 with two complete games, a 3.57 ERA (519.1 IP – 206 ER), 175 walks and 488 strikeouts in 91 games (87 starts).
Looks like Conger has a good seat at the table, now... although is BA really, well, sucks.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:56 am
by MDDad
GOODave wrote:I don't know how I missed this one fromthe Angel's website:



Looks like Conger has a good seat at the table, now... although is BA really, well, sucks.
If you missed hearing of the Jeff Mathis trade to Toronto, you may also have missed hearing that the Angels acquired Chris Iannetta three days earlier to be their starting catcher. Looks like Conger may be back at the children's table.

Re: Angels 2012

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:06 am
by GOODave
MDDad wrote:
If you missed hearing of the Jeff Mathis trade to Toronto, you may also have missed hearing that the Angels acquired Chris Iannetta three days earlier to be their starting catcher. Looks like Conger may be back at the children's table.
I did see Iannetta on the roster and liked his numbers much better than either Wilson or Conger ... but I was not aware they had only just gotten him prior to jettisoning Mathis. I liked Mathis but his offense really smelled up the place.