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House Passes Payroll Tax Cut - Keystone Bill

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:33 pm
by Wiley
Dec. 13, 2011

House passes payroll tax cut extension bill despite veto threat

By Pete Kasperowicz - The Hill

The House on Tuesday afternoon approved legislation that extends the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits, but includes several provisions that Democrats vigorously oppose.

Members approved the bill in a 234-193 vote in which 224 Republicans supported it — short of House Speaker John Boehner's (R-Ohio) goal of getting 240 GOP votes, which he said would give the House a "strong hand" in negotiations with Senate Democrats. The bill was opposed by 14 Republicans, but it attracted the support of 10 Democrats.

The vote sets up the prospect of negotiations with the White House and Senate over how to deal with the bill, as the Senate is not expected to approve it. The House all year has moved to pass critical legislation in order to boost its chances of success in negations with Democrats in the Senate and the White House, and appeared to be following that game plan with today's vote.

For numerous reasons, the bill, H.R. 3630, is controversial with Democrats, who wanted to pay for these extensions through tax increases. The House GOP bill pays for extensions to the payroll tax holiday and unemployment insurance through reforms and cuts to existing spending, and would also trim discretionary spending by $30 billion over the next decade.

House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) defended these unemployment provisions as needed reforms that would promote work over welfare.

"Why are we making these reforms instead of just passing a straight extension?" he asked on the floor. "Because we know that a paycheck is better than an unemployment check. These bipartisan reforms will help get Americans back to work while providing them with assistance during hard times."

The bill also contains what Democrats see as extraneous language that would speed up the timing of the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline, and delays pending EPA rules on industrial boilers. Pelosi said Republicans were using the Keystone pipeline issue as a diversion from President Obama's jobs plan.

Democrats used every trick in the book to slow House consideration of the bill. Before the rule for the bill was debated, Democrats raised a point of order against the bill. Later, they put forward a motion to recommit the bill, usually a 30 minute delay before passage. But this time, Democrats insisted that a good chunk of the lengthy motion be read out loud, which delayed the final vote even more.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/h ... nsion-bill

Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut - Keystone Bill

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:38 am
by Red
Wiley wrote:Dec. 13, 2011

House passes payroll tax cut extension bill despite veto threat

By Pete Kasperowicz - The Hill

The House on Tuesday afternoon approved legislation that extends the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits, but includes several provisions that Democrats vigorously oppose.

Members approved the bill in a 234-193 vote in which 224 Republicans supported it — short of House Speaker John Boehner's (R-Ohio) goal of getting 240 GOP votes, which he said would give the House a "strong hand" in negotiations with Senate Democrats. The bill was opposed by 14 Republicans, but it attracted the support of 10 Democrats.

The vote sets up the prospect of negotiations with the White House and Senate over how to deal with the bill, as the Senate is not expected to approve it. The House all year has moved to pass critical legislation in order to boost its chances of success in negations with Democrats in the Senate and the White House, and appeared to be following that game plan with today's vote.

For numerous reasons, the bill, H.R. 3630, is controversial with Democrats, who wanted to pay for these extensions through tax increases. The House GOP bill pays for extensions to the payroll tax holiday and unemployment insurance through reforms and cuts to existing spending, and would also trim discretionary spending by $30 billion over the next decade.

House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) defended these unemployment provisions as needed reforms that would promote work over welfare.

"Why are we making these reforms instead of just passing a straight extension?" he asked on the floor. "Because we know that a paycheck is better than an unemployment check. These bipartisan reforms will help get Americans back to work while providing them with assistance during hard times."

The bill also contains what Democrats see as extraneous language that would speed up the timing of the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline, and delays pending EPA rules on industrial boilers. Pelosi said Republicans were using the Keystone pipeline issue as a diversion from President Obama's jobs plan.

Democrats used every trick in the book to slow House consideration of the bill. Before the rule for the bill was debated, Democrats raised a point of order against the bill. Later, they put forward a motion to recommit the bill, usually a 30 minute delay before passage. But this time, Democrats insisted that a good chunk of the lengthy motion be read out loud, which delayed the final vote even more.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/h ... nsion-bill

Whoooopie! Another $19 per family. Merry Christmas from our wonderful and generous leaders.

Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut - Keystone Bill

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:23 am
by Omar Bongo
House Passes Payroll Tax Bill That Will Never Become Law
by Robin Marty December 14, 2011 8:00 am

Don’t call it a “do nothing” Congress! The House has worked diligently together to pass HR 3630, a payroll tax cut extension bill weeks before deadline. Of course, the Senate has already stated there is no way they will ever pass it. And the president has already issued a preemptive veto on the bill. But hey, the House’s work is done, right?

The bill, which passed 234-193, had only 10 Democratic votes in support of it, and had 14 Republicans vote against it. Yet that didn’t stop House Majority Leader Eric Cantor from calling it “strongly bipartisan.”[say what??] “We got a strong bipartisan vote in there. :ROFL: [sorry, couldn't help myself] My question for the president is, ‘Why are we waiting?’ Demonstrating here there’s bipartisan support for this bill, :ROFL: :ROFL: [oops, sorry again] he ought to go ahead and join us. It’s time for him to compromise.”

Democratic Maryland Congressman Chris Van Hollen called out Republicans in the House for posturing, pretending that they were working on a solution while then presenting a bill they knew would never pass, just to play politics. “They’re using this as the mechanism to draw a presidential veto on a bill they never wanted anyway. It’s designed to fail, so to speak.”

And what were those “poison pills” packed into the House bill? “A measure forcing the Obama administration to expedite its decision about whether to green light construction the Keystone XL pipeline; out-year spending caps that could further reduce funding to key federal programs; and other restrictions including one that would allow states to drug test unemployment applicants.” Republicans also sought an increase in the highest level of seniors who would have to pay more of their own Medicare coverage, raising the percentage of seniors who pay additional out of pocket expenses from 5 percent to 25 percent, which would cost many seniors an additional hundreds of dollars a month.

The President, meanwhile, has made it clear that the bill is a no go, and even if it should somehow pass the senate, it will be vetoed. “With only days left before taxes go up for 160 million hardworking Americans, H.R. 3630 plays politics at the expense of middle-class families. H.R. 3630 breaks the bipartisan agreement on spending cuts that was reached just a few months ago and would inevitably lead to pressure to cut investments in areas like education and clean energy. Furthermore, H.R. 3630 seeks to put the burden of paying for the bill on working families, while giving a free pass to the wealthiest and to big corporations by protecting their loopholes and subsidies.”

http://www.care2.com/causes/house-passe ... e-law.html

Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut - Keystone Bill

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:34 am
by Wiley
Good morning, Omar. Have you read the morning paper yet?

Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut - Keystone Bill

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:27 am
by John Q. Public
Red wrote: Whoooopie! Another $19 per family. Merry Christmas from our wonderful and generous leaders.
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Red, does the "Reply" button not show in your browser?

Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut - Keystone Bill

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:48 am
by Donray
Obama's cut to social security that I thought he did not want to cut funding?

I don't understand the Democrats, they say don't cut Social Security like the Republicans wanted yet they are all for cutting the funding and revenue to support Social Security.

We all do know that this is a finding cut for Social Security?