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The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:54 pm
by sbayhills
Wayne Anderson writes: "it appears that the promises of "Hope & Change" have been totally thrown out of the Obama re-election campaign.
By Wayne Anderson:
Wayne Anderson is a gay veteran of the U.S. Army and an LGBT activist. He Served a full tour of duty and became involved in gay activism shortly after discharging from military service. He lives in New York City and has been writing about the struggle for gay equality for over five years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-anderson/


The term "swiftboating" is an expression that has become synonymous with deceptive and untrue political attacks that were originally used with devastating effect against presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004. In 2012, the dark art of "swiftboating" appears to have a new practitioner, and this time it's the most unlikely of candidates -- Barack Obama.

The nonpartisan group Factcheck.org has investigated the claims made by President Obama stating that Mitt Romney, during his time at Bain Capital, outsourced jobs overseas. Factcheck.org researched the issue and found the president's claims to be untrue and based on evidence that was "weak or non-existent." The organization released an additional statement after The Boston Globe published its much ballyhooed report. Factcheck continued to say they saw "little new in any of these SEC filings" and that "none of the SEC filings show that Romney was anything but a passive, absentee owner during that time, as both Romney and Bain have long said." The Washington Post fact-checker, Glenn Kessler, also refuted the accusations: "Just because you are listed as an owner of shares does not mean you have a managerial role." There have also been several legal and economic scholars that have weighed who also find the claims against Romney to be dubious. Yet, President Obama continues to run the deceptive attack ads anyway. It appears that the promises of "Hope & Change" have been totally thrown out of the Obama re-election campaign.

If President Obama and his supporters think they will win against the right-wing by becoming just like them and employing their deceptive "swiftboat" strategy of character assassination -- then they have already lost. Yes, Obama supporters may well see their candidate re-elected, but they might just have to cut out their progressive souls and any sense of fair play to get him there.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:07 pm
by Wabash
Awesome news sbay.

Thanks for posting.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:23 pm
by John Q. Public
Eureka! The outrage! Been lookin' for it for 8 years.
If President Obama and his supporters think they will win against the right-wing by becoming just like them and employing their deceptive "swiftboat" strategy of character assassination -- then they have already lost. Yes, Obama supporters may well see their candidate re-elected, but they might just have to cut out their progressive souls and any sense of fair play to get him there.
No wonder the right's upset. The Dems are using "their" tactic.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:28 pm
by sbayhills
John Q. Public wrote:Eureka! The outrage! Been lookin' for it for 8 years.
If President Obama and his supporters think they will win against the right-wing by becoming just like them and employing their deceptive "swiftboat" strategy of character assassination -- then they have already lost. Yes, Obama supporters may well see their candidate re-elected, but they might just have to cut out their progressive souls and any sense of fair play to get him there.
No wonder the right's upset. The Dems are using "their" tactic.
I think you meant to say that the Left's upset.
This article was written by a regular contributor to the Huffington post and he isn't too happy that the President is complicit in this one.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:29 pm
by Wabash
John Q. Public wrote:Eureka! The outrage! Been lookin' for it for 8 years.

No wonder the right's upset. The Dems are using "their" tactic.
No kidding. The bottom line is that Obama will still be president.

Politics ain't beanbag.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:30 pm
by Wabash
sbayhills wrote:
This article was written by a regular contributor to the Huffington post and he isn't too happy that the President is complicit in this one.
If this person is a liberal, he'll be much happier than if Obama isn't president.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:52 pm
by John Q. Public
sbayhills wrote: I think you meant to say that the Left's upset.
This article was written by a regular contributor to the Huffington post and he isn't too happy that the President is complicit in this one.
I don't know anything about Anderson's political leanings. I see he writes about Gay issues but he could be a Lincoln Club member for all I know.

I'm not happy with the Obama campaign going negative. They have plenty of positives to talk about and I think it would be better for the campaign and for the country if they were to highlight them. And if they feel the need to call Romney a liar, he's provided them with plenty of better examples to choose from. But I am amused as hell to see the Right getting so upset about the Democrats trying their hand at something that's practically become a way of life for Republicans.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:00 pm
by sbayhills
John Q. Public wrote: I don't know anything about Anderson's political leanings. I see he writes about Gay issues but he could be a Lincoln Club member for all I know.

I'm not happy with the Obama campaign going negative. They have plenty of positives to talk about and I think it would be better for the campaign and for the country if they were to highlight them. And if they feel the need to call Romney a liar, he's provided them with plenty of better examples to choose from. But I am amused as hell to see the Right getting so upset about the Democrats trying their hand at something that's practically become a way of life for Republicans.
I'm amused as hell that you can say with a straight face the Republicans are the ones who sink to lows such as this. History would not be on your side starting with the 1960 election.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:57 pm
by Wabash
sbayhills wrote:
I'm amused as hell that you can say with a straight face the Republicans are the ones who sink to lows such as this. History would not be on your side starting with the 1960 election.
Politics ain't beanbag. Negative campaigns are used because they work. I'd rather Obama go negative and win, than not.

Clinton responded to negative attacks immediately, Kerry did not. Worse, Kerry ignored them. Clinton won twice. Kerry lost.

The example was set by Bush and Swift Boat ads attacking the patriotism of an individual who served his country in a combat theater. Something Bush ran from doing while a member of the TX ANG.

Please keep up with faux righteous indignation. I always enjoy watching conservatives claim victimhood.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:32 pm
by John Q. Public
sbayhills wrote: I'm amused as hell that you can say with a straight face the Republicans are the ones who sink to lows such as this. History would not be on your side starting with the 1960 election.
C'mon! Why do you think they call it swiftboating? It's so common to Republicans any more I'm surprised they aren't suing for infringement.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:11 pm
by sbayhills
They.................you mean the Left? The owners of Chicago style politics.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:19 pm
by tLIB
Wabash wrote: Clinton responded to negative attacks immediately, Kerry did not.
So Republicans are saying that they lied during that campaign? :eh?: Is it common for people to say that they lied before but are now mad that the other guy is lying?

This is the first Republican (I suspect he is a Republican) admit that his party lied in commercials.
The term "swiftboating" is an expression that has become synonymous with deceptive and untrue political attacks that were originally used with devastating effect against presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:14 pm
by John Q. Public
Wabash wrote:Clinton responded to negative attacks immediately, Kerry did not. Worse, Kerry ignored them. Clinton won twice. Kerry lost.
The commercials had no effect on my opinion of Kerry but his lack of response did. He didn't have the votes of the people who believed the commercials in the first place, but he probably lost quite a few other votes by not defending himself.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:33 am
by Vilepagan
sbayhills wrote:I'm amused as hell that you can say with a straight face the Republicans are the ones who sink to lows such as this.
Why? The author of the article you cited said the same thing:

If President Obama and his supporters think they will win against the right-wing by becoming just like them and employing their deceptive "swiftboat" strategy of character assassination -- then they have already lost.
History would not be on your side starting with the 1960 election.
Seriously? You don't have to go back that far...

Didn't the GOP employ "deceptive character assassination" with their attacks on Obama?

Statements like "Palling around with terrorists", demands to see his Birth Certificate, claims that he hung out with "radical" clergymen, claims that he hates this country, is a Communist, a Socialist, or a Marxist...any of this sounding familiar?

I'm amused as hell that you can complain about this with a straight face.

Dave posted more of this sort of nonsense just in the last week. A ridiculous claim that the Obamas don't respect the flag:

http://www.occonnect.com/community/view ... 8&start=20

Where was your outrage when he posted this BS? Could it be that your outrage is about who is doing it to whom, not what is being done?

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:53 am
by GOODave
John Q. Public wrote: But I am amused as hell to see the Right getting so upset about the Democrats trying their hand at something that's practically become a way of life for Republicans.
Wow...

Partisan blinders much?

Did you happen to see the clip of how the states are getting around the "buy american" laws to hire Chinese workers to complete American bridges and roads? You might consider "getting so upset" about something like that being abused by, mostly, democrats...

:roll:

ABC News

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:01 am
by Wabash
John Q. Public wrote: The commercials had no effect on my opinion of Kerry but his lack of response did. He didn't have the votes of the people who believed the commercials in the first place, but he probably lost quite a few other votes by not defending himself.
Totally agree. I know Dems that said exactly that. It was, "if he won't stick up for himself, will he stick up for me?"

The real reason for conservatives being born again regarding negative campaigns is they see the tactic they perfected now being used against them and they know (I'm sure they have internal polls that confirm this) it is working.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:02 am
by GOODave
Wabash wrote: Totally agree. I know Dems that said exactly that. It was, "if he won't stick up for himself, will he stick up for me?"

The real reason for conservatives being born again regarding negative campaigns is they see the tactic they perfected now being used against them and they know (I'm sure they have internal polls that confirm this) it is working.
Ah, so the old "Well THEEEEYYYYYY did it TOOOOOOOO" schoolyard rationale once again rears its ugly head.

As if that makes it all "O.K."

You ought to put this crap on a continuous loop: save you some keystrokes

:roll:

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:43 am
by sbayhills
tLIB wrote:
So Republicans are saying that they lied during that campaign? :eh?: Is it common for people to say that they lied before but are now mad that the other guy is lying?

This is the first Republican (I suspect he is a Republican) admit that his party lied in commercials.
The term "swiftboating" is an expression that has become synonymous with deceptive and untrue political attacks that were originally used with devastating effect against presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004.
No, the article came from a blogger who contributes to the Huffington Post. This poster is not a Republican and is pointing out the hypocrisy coming from the Left on this issue.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:46 am
by Wabash
sbayhills wrote:
No, the article came from a blogger who contributes to the Huffington Post. This poster is not a Republican and is pointing out the hypocrisy coming from the Left on this issue.
The irony of you citing a person you believe to be liberal is pretty funny.

Re: The "Swiftboating" of Mitt Romney

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:49 am
by sbayhills
Vilepagan wrote:
Why? The author of the article you cited said the same thing:

If President Obama and his supporters think they will win against the right-wing by becoming just like them and employing their deceptive "swiftboat" strategy of character assassination -- then they have already lost.



Seriously? You don't have to go back that far...

Didn't the GOP employ "deceptive character assassination" with their attacks on Obama?

Statements like "Palling around with terrorists", demands to see his Birth Certificate, claims that he hung out with "radical" clergymen, claims that he hates this country, is a Communist, a Socialist, or a Marxist...any of this sounding familiar?

I'm amused as hell that you can complain about this with a straight face.

Dave posted more of this sort of nonsense just in the last week. A ridiculous claim that the Obamas don't respect the flag:

http://www.occonnect.com/community/view ... 8&start=20

Where was your outrage when he posted this BS? Could it be that your outrage is about who is doing it to whom, not what is being done?
No, my outrage is when a sitting President makes outright lies, condones his campaign in calling the other candidate a felon, and then excuses his and his campaigns behavior as this being part of a "game" played during election season. John McCain or Mitt Romney showed integrity and class. Obama has sunk to a new low.