Just stop Patty. As much as I like you it kills me to see you post. I used to try and make informative posts like you then I realized about 5 years ago, no one here gives a crap about stuff like this, unless you add to one side's rhetoric, no one cares how well thought out, how well articulated or how well formed your argument is, it is all about baseless claims and crazy extremism.
Talking to them like adults is giving them far too much respect.
I know what you're getting at, and I don't really expect people to argue me properly or with points that are relevant to the context of the original topic/argument. I mainly post just to try to shed some more light and new perspectives into classical issues that people bring up. Aside from my Film classes, all I have taken have been philosophy, political science, economic, minority studies, and sociology courses (along with a few very interesting Biology and Astronomy courses for GE purposes).
Contradictory to the belief that these courses have converted me into a hardcore liberal, the one real thing that these courses have taught me is that we have to look at issues in different contexts, and that we always look at issues. with as much foresight, logic, and wisdom as possible.
In Red's other topic he's saying that the reason why 46 million Americans are in poverty is because of Obama. While I don't really care whether Obama has helped to cause the poverty or not, I contested that post because of simplistically Red choose to frame the issue of poverty. Poverty is something that has dozens of different causes and it has plagued this world since the very dawn of civilization. To say that the high rate of poverty in this country has everything to do with Obama's presidency in the last 4 years and not much to do with decades of other factors is just a terrible, simplistic way to approach that issue
We have to remember that the average reading level of our newspapers and our televised news is at the 7th grade reading level. Considering that we often try to condense huge political, social, global and economic, issues into 5 minute news snippets on television, we have to realize that we are now living in a culture where no real learning can take place. Learning can only really take place in a world where abstract thinking and logic are prevalent ( which means reading, and more specifically, reading books). Our culture is now entirely based on images and images really only exist to exude emotion. While emotion is powerful and serves as a great impetus, I think we all agree that it isn't the only thing that should be acted on. Yet, when you really analyze our media, and analyze the images, "news" reporting, and content that we receive today, it is very easy to see that everything out there is now appealing to emotion, and we have basically abandoned our call to reason, and by extension our call to learning.
So really, my only goal is try to revive logic, abstract thinking, and hopefully some civility in our everyday discourse. Do my posts take a lot of time to write? Yes. Is it frustrating when I explain macro-economics to someone, and after citing large chapters of a college text book to them, have them pretend like that macro-economic theory isn't true? Yes. Does it suck when I make a well thought out response to an argument, only to have someone move the goal post, or to respond to a small, irrelevant point that has nothing to do with the issue? Yes.
But I am not trying to win over people like that. Right now I am just trying to create juxtaposition, a juxtaposition where people see a post as rooted in logic, sound sources, and critical thinking as possible against some 7th grade rhetoric that someone is parroting, and I just want people to see the contrast. I want people to realize that the world is far more complex than the five minute news snippets that they pick up each night, or the elementary school news that they are reading each morning. I just want people to see that there's more out there and that we need to look at things with far more sophistication than just Red vs. Blue, Good vs. Bad, Christian vs. Atheist, American vs. non-American, etc.
This might all sound very romantic, but screw it as long as I still have the time to write while I am in my youth I am still going to do this.
There is nothing uglier in this world than a parent riding on the success of their child.