Cadet Carson?

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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by Brooke » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:45 pm

The bottom line is that Ben Carson is an honest person.
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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by Reconquista Primero » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:00 am

Brooke: He's running for political office. He is not honest.
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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by Vilepagan » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:04 am

The bottom line is that Ben Carson is an honest person.

So when he says he believes that the pyramids of Egypt were built by Joseph (from the bible) as grain storage facilities, rather than as tombs for the Egyptian pharoahs, we can accept that he's truthfully recounting his beliefs, and that he's way too nutty to be president.
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Post by Wabash » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:45 am

Brooke, we've already established his West Point story is false.

If that is your yardstick, he is not.
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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by sbayhills » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:46 am

Brooke, we've already established his West Point story is false.

You've said it enough that you believe it so. Rational people understand why an 18 year old would believe he was offered a scholarship. My brother states that his son has a full scholarship to Annapolis. That's how it was sold to them. If my brother was a Republican running for President, you'd be calling him a liar.

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Post by Wabash » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:26 am

This point has been proved numerous times. No need to rehash it. Feel free to read earlier posts for specifics.
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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by Fordama » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:33 am

You've said it enough that you believe it so. Rational people understand why an 18 year old would believe he was offered a scholarship.

But a grown man writing a book--and running for the highest office in the land--should know better. He should be able to look back and see how he misunderstood something like that--if it really happened. I don't think it did--for many of the reasons stated in this thread.

I think Carson has produced a rich bank of fantasy memories for himself--so much so that he puts many of them out there as though they're real. After all, when he wrote them down he never dreamed that people would fact-check him. He could write anything he liked. So he did.

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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by Reconquista Primero » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:35 am

Wabash: As to whether or not a "scholarship" was offered is really neither here nor there. Almost everybody on this board understands how the term was used loosely and how Carson understood it the way he did, assuming the discussion took place.
What might be up for discussion is whether or not General Westmoreland was in the area at the time Carson says the pitch was made to him by General Westmoreland. That's fair game. Do you have anything substantive on that?
BTW: I am not a Carson apologist. Given his statements, I wouldn't vote for him.
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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by MDDad » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:39 am

1. I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.
2. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
3. My father served in World War II.
4. I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
5. I didn't want to carry a second cell phone.

They're all lies. So why should only the first one disqualify someone from running for or serving in the Oval Office?

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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by Fordama » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:45 am

That's one part of the story that Politico got right. They posted the general's itinerary during that time and he was nowhere near Detroit. If you read the passage in the book, Westmoreland was the most exciting part of the day for him--Carson's own words.

Yet Westmoreland wasn't there at all. It was just another fantasy of Carson's that he has let become reality.

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Re: Cadet Carson?

Post by Parrotpaul » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:46 am

You forgot, "I'm not a crook."
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Post by MDDad » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:51 am

Agreed, Paul. The point is that there have been too many to count, by much more important historical figures. So why does this one by an unelectable candidate deserve six pages of debate?

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Post by Wabash » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:11 am

He doesn't. The point about the West Point offer not being valid was made long ago. it is his apologists who have kept the thread going this long.
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