New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

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New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by broman » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:41 pm

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of ... d-make-our

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Keep guns out of the wrong hands through background checks
200 new ATF agents and investigators to help enforce our gun laws.
Increase mental health treatment and reporting to the background check system.
Sponsor research into gun safety technology.
Clarify that it doesn’t matter where you conduct your business—from a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If you’re in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks.

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President Barack Hussein Obama, on behalf of true Americans, I want to inform you that we will not follow your unconstitutional executive order.

We the American people have no other recourse than to resort to civil disobedience. We have no representatives in Washington DC who will stand and the Supreme Court has failed us as well.

You have embraced violent protest movements in America such as Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter. We are not lowering ourselves to that despicable progressive socialist “rules for radicals” model.

We, the people, are just telling you “No.” We will now be sending you emails and social media posts as well as calling OUR White House to say one word, “No.”

And if you persist and take the same course of action as Xerxes, we will give you a two-word response, Molon Labe.

This is your final year as president of the United States so let us come to an agreement: you leave us alone and we, the American people, will let you stay and finish your term.

http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/presi ... read-this/

If the Congress and the Courts have failed, then the only way to remove a President would be..... just saying.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by ShiftyMutt » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:10 pm

We won't be able to keep guns out of the wrong hands but anything is better than not addressing it. I like the idea of being able to track stolen guns, I like the idea of money towards better mental health access. I'd like to see an end with these gun nutter activists that seem to be perpetuating a culture in which all problems are solved with violence.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by Wabash » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:03 am

He proposed nothing that conservatives and the NRA haven't supported in recent history. Those groups just don't like the fact that it is a Dem doing it.
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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by Troglodyte » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:01 pm

The major problem is that, as usual, Obama hasn't been able to sell his ideas to the public and congress. He refuses to negotiate, or accept other input. It's still "My way or the highway" with this president. Can't get an agreement, issue an EO...
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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by crayegg » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:20 pm

What a load of crap.

The general public widely supports common sense regulations such as closing the gun show loophole.

It is the corrupt Congress that is completely in mortal fear of losing NRA money that is the problem, and the EO is an appropriate answer.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by Red » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:42 pm

The general public widely supports common sense regulations such as closing the gun show loophole.

What a bigger load of crap. Why is it liberals think they speak for everybody? Did like the faux tears. Where were the tears when they were lying to the families of the Benghazi 4?
Liberalism is like an out-of-control 5 year old at McDonalds. All the talking to and admonishment won't make a difference. They have no concept of right or wrong, they are nothing more than narcissists.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by joefutbol » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:39 pm

Well, Red, according to pollingreport.com 89% of the general public, including 87% of Republicans, are in favor of closing "gun show loopholes." That isn't "everybody," but I'd say that qualifies to be called "widely support." No?

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by joefutbol » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:48 pm

Troglodyte wrote:The major problem is that, as usual, Obama hasn't been able to sell his ideas to the public and congress. He refuses to negotiate, or accept other input. It's still "My way or the highway" with this president. Can't get an agreement, issue an EO...
He's issued fewer executive orders than any president since Grover Cleveland.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by Parrotpaul » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:50 pm

Oh. no...the dreaded Benghazi argument.....
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Post by Wabash » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:52 pm

What most gun fanatics (those opposed to any changes) don't realize is the majority of Americans don't own guns.
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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by Red » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:06 pm

Sorry Joe, I don't buy it. Again, the irony here is, how many guns the administration gave to the drug cartel in the "Fast and Furious" scandal, the gun running in Libya, N. Korea now bragging they have nukes along with Iran. Meanwhile, here at home Obama wants to keep chipping away at the Constitution. My dream is, one day the liberal mind somehow develops common sense. The world is on fire due to his lack of leadership, but he manages to keep chipping away on his destruction of America. Truly sad times we live in.
Liberalism is like an out-of-control 5 year old at McDonalds. All the talking to and admonishment won't make a difference. They have no concept of right or wrong, they are nothing more than narcissists.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by MDDad » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:16 pm

joefutbol wrote:He's issued fewer executive orders than any president since Grover Cleveland.
Well, uh, yeah, that's technically true. The problem is this pesky little revelation reported in USA Today about a year ago:
President Obama has issued a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history — using it to take unilateral action even as he has signed fewer executive orders.

When these two forms of directives are taken together, Obama is on track to take more high-level executive actions than any president since Harry Truman battled the "Do Nothing Congress" almost seven decades ago, according to a USA TODAY review of presidential documents.

Obama has issued executive orders to give federal employees the day after Christmas off, to impose economic sanctions and to determine how national secrets are classified. He's used presidential memoranda to make policy on gun control, immigration and labor regulations. Tuesday, he used a memorandum to declare Bristol Bay, Alaska, off-limits to oil and gas exploration.

Like executive orders, presidential memoranda don't require action by Congress. They have the same force of law as executive orders and often have consequences just as far-reaching. And some of the most significant actions of the Obama presidency have come not by executive order but by presidential memoranda.

Obama has made prolific use of memoranda despite his own claims that he's used his executive power less than other presidents. "The truth is, even with all the actions I've taken this year, I'm issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years," Obama said in a speech in Austin last July. “So it’s not clear how it is that Republicans didn't seem to mind when President Bush took more executive actions than I did."

Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /20191805/

So first, this administration began counting turn-backs at the border as "deportations" in order to boost up it's deportation numbers to artificially high levels, when they are actually lower than most previous administrations. Then here we learn that he uses "executive memoranda" in place of "executive orders" to achieve the same legislative results while making it look like he is less of an activist, legislative president than his predecessors. In fact, he has issued more of the combined documents than those before him.

Bill Clinton may have been Slick Willie, and John Gotti may have been the Teflon Don, but they had nothing on this grease-ball.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by Parrotpaul » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:32 pm

Grease ball? Harsh.

....and none of those executive orders and memos were worth a tinker's damn to you either...correct? All done for spite and not the good of the people...I get it.
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Post by MDDad » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:40 pm

Sometimes the truth is harsh. When an administration intentionally jimmies the deportation metrics, or a president says, ""The truth is, even with all the actions I've taken this year, I'm issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years," all the while knowing he's just playing a game with semantics, what would you call it?

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Post by MDDad » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:55 pm

Parrotpaul wrote:....and none of those executive orders and memos were worth a tinker's damn to you either...correct? All done for spite and not the good of the people...I get it.
Nice deflection, but it is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Just because a little bullcrap might be good for you doesn't change the fact that it's bullcrap.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by joefutbol » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:59 pm

Red wrote:Sorry Joe, I don't buy it. Again, the irony here is, how many guns the administration gave to the drug cartel in the "Fast and Furious" scandal, the gun running in Libya, N. Korea now bragging they have nukes along with Iran. Meanwhile, here at home Obama wants to keep chipping away at the Constitution. My dream is, one day the liberal mind somehow develops common sense. The world is on fire due to his lack of leadership, but he manages to keep chipping away on his destruction of America. Truly sad times we live in.
You don't by that the general public is in favor of closing gun show loopholes? Ummmmmm..... ok.

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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by Parrotpaul » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:09 pm

It wasn't a deflection....it's what you do, and then you trash Wabash for what he does...you hate Obama as much as Wabash supports Obama. You've never said one good word about Obama...why would anyone think you would approve of anything the guy does...you never have. We get it.
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Re: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence

Post by MDDad » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:49 pm

Paul, I find it a little disconcerting that a public educator can't engage in a discussion of political disagreements without invoking the "hate" word. You have a long history of doing so whenever you seem frustrated with the conversation.

For the umpteenth time, I don't hate Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton, or any other politician. I've said in the past I think Obama is a particularly intelligent and amicable person. I'm sure I'd love to sit down and have a beer with the guy. But brain surgeons and rocket scientists are also intelligent, and, like Obama, they also would find themselves in over their heads if elected president. Millions of people share my belief that the poor guy was unprepared for the magnitude of the job, and the Oval Office is not a place where you want to train a political neophyte. Fortunately his tenure is almost over, and I wish him nothing but the best in his post-presidential years.

None of which changes the fact that, in an effort to make himself or his administration look good, he (or they) have fudged the books, both with deportations and with executive orders. If a guy convinced you that he was the first major league player to hit .400 since Ted Williams, how would you feel if you found out later that his batting average was so high because he also counted his walks as hits. That's what Obama did with deportations. And if I told you I beat my dog less than my neighbors do, you'd be pretty impressed until you found out it's because I kick her the other half the time. That's the semantics game he's playing with executive orders. If you think that doesn't make him a grease-ball, come up with your own label.
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Post by Wabash » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:50 pm

I've been asked if I believe Obama has done anything wrong. I have and stated those beliefs several times. IF MDDad has ever supported him I've never seen it.
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Post by Wabash » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:51 pm

MDDad wrote:Millions of people share my belief that the poor guy was unprepared for the magnitude of the job, and the Oval Office is not a place where you want to train a political neophyte.
Millions of people also believe he has done a good job and that your opinion isn't realistic.
They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

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