"the inevitable disaster that will be the Trump Administration"

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Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:55 pm

Deflect, deflect, deflect

She has a right to speak and what she said was spot on

Meanwhile Trump generates more public opinions in a day than she has in total

But no, carry on...
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Post by Wabash » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:04 pm

Bick wrote: 1. Streep is one of my favorite actresses. While absolutely entitled to her views, if she, like kaepernick, insists on bringing politics into entertainment, they will continue to turn people off. No great shakes for them as they've made their $$. But lower ratings will hurt those struggling who are following behind them.
The First Amendment is one of our great cornerstones of democracy. The venue of political speech is not important. Don't like her or her message? Don't watch.
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Post by Playthegame » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:05 pm

John Q. Public wrote:PTG, now you're sounding like Wabash. Those companies' problems have nothing to do with regulation or health care costs. You're getting ahead of yourself on your Blame Game flowchart. Competition killed them, not Liberals.
A more accurate statement would be to say that those companies also are suffering from a changing retail paradigm exacerbated by weak demand due to tripled health care costs, high corporate tax rates and legal and regulatory encumbrances.

Those companies are absolutely impacted negatively by rising healthcare costs on consumers and the employer and regulatory costs on business in general.

Your arrogance is showing Jake - A.) In attacking Wabash's style, we want to create a safe space here so please keep that in mind, B.) Not acknowledging the real impact of tripled Health care costs, and the regulatory environment on manufacturing, transportation, and human resources while part of what you say is true you are dismissing the regulatory burden on businesses today.

Here is a link to SBA website which provides guidance on 11 categories of law that a typical small business is likely to need in order to operate legally or be protected properly. If it is this complex for a small business then it will be even more onerous when the economy of scale is much greater and the impact of expanded costs in a low margin business model can mean the difference between paying dividends and going out of business.

Understand Business Law and regulations

The failure of these companies is not 100% attributable to rising health care costs and regulations but your statements are indicative of ignorance as related to the operation of business in general.

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Post by Wabash » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:49 pm

Or it could be many would rather shop online than go to a mall and all the hassle that goes with it.
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Post by broman » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:02 pm

John Q. Public wrote:The people making excuses for him bother me just as much. And then there are the people who've seen the video and still accept the excuses. I guess we're supposed to think that everybody makes gestures like that when they speak.
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Re: "the inevitable disaster that will be the Trump Administration"

Post by Bick » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:05 pm

Omar Bongo wrote:Deflect, deflect, deflect

She has a right to speak and what she said was spot on

Meanwhile Trump generates more public opinions in a day than she has in total

But no, carry on...
Deflect? I agreed Trump is a moron. Turn off the auto-response.

But of course, him making fun of a disabled guy...in 2015...is a far more important issue, deserving of national attention today than 4 racist blacks kidnapping and torturing a disabled kid last week.

Carry on yourself.

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Post by John Q. Public » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:10 pm

PTG wrote:A more accurate statement would be to say that those companies also are suffering from a changing retail paradigm exacerbated by weak demand due to tripled health care costs, high corporate tax rates and legal and regulatory encumbrances.
Those companies' competitors are under the same pressures they are yet they're thriving. They're all swimming in the same pool. It has nothing to do with partisan politics or health care costs - which are out of the hands of either party as it stands - or regulatory costs. Those companies not being able to keep up with their competitors is their own damned fault, not any political party's. But hey. If you want to blame Democrats for fostering the competitive environment that caused Walmart, Amazon and Kohls to suck up all the business, go ahead on. But you'll be arguing against your own... um... let's say "hogwash."
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Re: "the inevitable disaster that will be the Trump Administration"

Post by ocfootballfan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:19 pm

Bick... one is our President-Elect and the others are four young black kids going away for a long time for a atrocious crime. Are you suggesting they should be held to the same standard?

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Post by Bick » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:32 pm

OCF - not about holding them to the same standard. It's about using that stage to bemoan Trump saying something stupid a couple YEARS ago when there are far worse and more recent issues along the discrimination, racism vein to be talking about.

But the notion that blacks can be equally racist doesn't sit too well with the liberal narrative the past 8 years of how they're only victims of it.

Hell...maybe that's why she even brought it up?

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Post by Bick » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:47 pm

John Q. Public wrote:Those companies' competitors are under the same pressures they are yet they're thriving. They're all swimming in the same pool. It has nothing to do with partisan politics or health care costs - which are out of the hands of either party as it stands - or regulatory costs. Those companies not being able to keep up with their competitors is their own damned fault, not any political party's. But hey. If you want to blame Democrats for fostering the competitive environment that caused Walmart, Amazon and Kohls to suck up all the business, go ahead on. But you'll be arguing against your own... um... let's say "hogwash."
Real issue is increased burden on business causes marginally profitable to cease to exist. Larger players are able to hire specialists and spread the cost of compliance much better.

We saw a consolidation of gasoline companies. Prior to then, gas was very relatively cheap compared to the cost of crude oil for a very long time. Now with decreased competition, prices skyrocket.

You think Mylan would be charging $600 for an Epipen that costs them about $5 to make if there were FDA approved alternatives?

Gov't needs to reduce its burdens on business - not the other way around.

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Post by broman » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:47 pm

Why eight years? Why not twenty two? How does a celebrity making a speech about Trump equate to ignoring or justifying the actions of four hoodlums? Did you read or hear what Montell Williams said about it?

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Post by John Q. Public » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:37 pm

Larger players are able to hire specialists and spread the cost of compliance much better.
The Limited - owns or owned and sold Victoria's Secret, Bed, Bath and Beyond, Lane Bryant, Abercrombie & Fitch, Lerner's and others.
JC Penney - JC freaking Penney
Sears - freaking Sears, for God's sake!

They're all about as large as players get. Please try to direct your blame where it belongs. Democrats had nothing to do with their problems.
We saw a consolidation of gasoline companies. Prior to then, gas was very relatively cheap compared to the cost of crude oil for a very long time. Now with decreased competition, prices skyrocket.

You think Mylan would be charging $600 for an Epipen that costs them about $5 to make if there were FDA approved alternatives?
In the global business environment, there's very little any one government can do about consolidation, but before that, the biggest relaxation of American anti-trust laws was under Reagan. It scared me then and it still does.
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Re: "the inevitable disaster that will be the Trump Administration"

Post by John Q. Public » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:47 pm

ShiftyMutt wrote:Wait'll Amazon takes over the grocery industry. Albertsons, Vons, Ralph's will all close, too.
Oh, I'm sure that will be Democrats' fault, too. Probably some conspiracy between them and NCR to make cash registers that had to be operated by those godawful expensive humans.
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Re: "the inevitable disaster that will be the Trump Administration"

Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:53 pm

Bick wrote:how about denouncing real racism vis a vis what those four (fill in the blank) DID to that disabled kid?
And there it is, folks, "real racism"...from the same people who brought us "legitimate rape", no doubt

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Post by Bick » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:05 pm

JQP - definitely not done entirely by liberals. Just recent burdens. And I'm really only coming from a CA small business perspective.

Do you disagree that the tougher the gov't burdens, the greater the likelihood of business contraction?

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Post by Bick » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:29 pm

Omar Bongo wrote:And there it is, folks, "real racism"...from the same people who brought us "legitimate rape", no doubt
Yeah - blacks, whites, asians, indians are all guilty of prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

From the same people that lost more lives ending slavery than in all the other wars combined, and think that's enough.

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Re: "the inevitable disaster that will be the Trump Administration"

Post by Omar Bongo » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:29 am

Yeah - blacks, whites, asians, indians are all guilty of prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

So you're saying that all races are equally guilty of racism, even "asians" and "indians"...come on, you think anyone outside a Trump rally is really buying that? I see your false equivalency and raise you 500+ years of oppression, enslavement and murder by white Europeans and their decendants against ethnic minorities...you gonna toss your cards in or keep bluffing?

You called the recent black-on-white assault "real racism"...never heard that term before...if it fits your deal, does that make it real?

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Post by Bick » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:46 am

Never been to a Trump rally...not really a fan of his. What are they like?

Why stop at 500+ years? Slavery has been going on for thousands of years around the world by ALL races. You and Al Sharpton seem to think only blacks were victims of it. Were there any black slave owners in Africa...or here in the US?

By "real" I mean, by example, this latest black on white assault...the lynchings against blacks in the south...cross burning...segregation...6 MM Jews murdered in WWII. Not some minority being shot while committing a crime by police.

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Post by Parrotpaul » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:39 am

Bick...so, what is your point?
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Re: "the inevitable disaster that will be the Trump Administration"

Post by Playthegame » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:43 am

Question:
Seeing as how many slave traders were black, at least that is how it was portrayed by Alex Hayley in Roots and sold their brothers into slavery in the first place, why are they not on the list for retribution. If it is ok to go after people 100's to thousands of years later...why no beef with the people of their own race who rounded them up and sold them in the first place?

Bick, we understand when margins are low and your business model is archaic, you need time to make changes and when your bottom line is impacted due to stagnant wages and high health care costs for consumers they will drive less, visit malls less, buy less, add regulatory burdens and high taxes on business it forces business who might have been able to weather the storm to fail.

Of course their are many advantages to never leaving your desk to shop...but people also like to go get stuff now if they have money.

JQP your assertions are partly true! They are also lacking understanding of what actually turning a profit requires and how changing market paradigms and the time it takes to adjust impact an industry or business in general.

Your points sound plausible, but are not based on reality but rather assumption with no apparent experience of the reality of business concepts and the challenging business environment today. Technology can force change rapidly and it truly is survival of the fittest as it should be, however opportunity can be greatly diminished when Government forces unnatural burdens outside the market place on both consumers and businesses and this is where you are not being honest or are ignorant of those facts. Republicans are also guilty of contributing or allowing this to occur as well, that is a valid point and I agree with you on that.

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