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Re: Black players protest

Post by Bick » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:08 pm

Omar Bongo wrote: That's about the level of response I expected. Way to back up your claim.

Unlike you, CBS didn't draw any conclusions about "the results of that ad campaign" before it's even begun, they just reported the results of their poll.
And what claim did I make beyond posting the results of a survey about the favorability of Nike after the announcement of the campaign? Who knows how the campaign will actually move the needle?

I really don't get you. Some really good, no BS football takes, but all this weak wordsmithing over here so you don't ever have to concede a point. Why is it that big a deal?

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Re: Black players protest

Post by Omar Bongo » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:27 pm

You said:
Bick wrote:The results of that ad campaign have been negatively perceived so far
How can you conclude this when among the poll questions you posted there were none about people's opinion of an ad campaign that hasn't even begun yet?
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Re: Black players protest

Post by John Q. Public » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:27 pm

Another hole in the article's analysis, besides the fact that nobody had seen the ad, is under this heading, which could have gone in the "Stupid Headlines" thread - "A Plurality See the Ad as a Publicity Stunt." 38% said the ad is a publicity stunt. Assuming that's a negative viewpoint, those are minds that could be changed by actually seeing the ad.

So, without a big "Why do you feel that way" attached to the demographic numbers, their pre-release results are even more meaningless. Hey, the post-release numbers could very well be similar, but without asking that question, their results could be off by 38%.
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Re: Black players protest

Post by Bick » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:16 pm

Omar Bongo wrote: How can you conclude this when among the poll questions you posted there were none about people's opinion of an ad campaign that hasn't even begun yet?
You're correct, I did not stipulate the poll results were not of the yet to be released ad campaign. I should have said the poll showed a negative perception of the brand Nike when the campaign was announced.

D'accord?

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Re: Black players protest

Post by Omar Bongo » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:29 am

I don't think the poll showed a negative perception of the brand Nike at all.

The article says that Nike's favorability dropped from 76% to 60%, and its unfavorability rose from 7% to 24%. I would bet that the change is largely due to the kneejerk reaction of people who have a strong negative opinion of Kaepernick himself.

Read the article again, it specifically points out that they're comparing the new results to the numbers "before the sports apparel giant revealed the former National Football League quarterback as the face of a new marketing campaign."

I think the headline of the article is fair...

"Nike's Colin Kaepernick ad is hurting its brand, poll suggests"

...but even after subtracting the Kaepernick haters, Nike's still at 60% favorable.

And BTW, have you seen the first ad? It's one of the most effective ads I've ever seen, and it's hardly about Colin Kaepernick....

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Re: Black players protest

Post by Wabash » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:14 am

First time I've seen it. Great ad.

That being said. I haven't bought anything Nike in a long time.

Too expensive.
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Re: Black players protest

Post by Omar Bongo » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:15 am

You know Nike factored in an initial PR/stock hit from the kneejerk outrage of a certain demographic when they learned CP would narrate, but if this is an indication of the campaign to unfold, looks like a homerun...they pretty much hit every button
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Re: Aliso Niguel - Racist?

Post by BuckW » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:37 am

The new Nike spokesperson received over 40 million in salary during short NFL career. Quite a sacrifice. If he is smart he will never need work another day of his life.

The tradition of standing for the National Anthem started during the 1918 World Series to show respect and support for our military that were fighting World War 1. The NFL joined the tradition after World War 2. It continues today to show support for all the men and women who protect our freedom. Choosing the current poster child for the anti military and anti police movement in our country as your spokesperson is a spit in the face to everyone that has served. He definitely has the right to kneel and protest on his own time both don’t made some kind of hero out of him. He is a coward. If he had any guts he would become a reserve police officer and try to do something about the gang murders across our country. Much easier to be a whiner then to actually do something to solve the real threat to young African-Americans which is Black on Black crime and not police officers.

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Re: Aliso Niguel - Racist?

Post by joefutbol » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:00 am

I disagree. Using veterans and the military as a patriotic shield in advancing political objectives, on the other hand, actually is a spit in the face to everyone who has served. But we are getting off topic now...

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Re: Black players protest

Post by Wabash » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:55 am

I know more than one veteran who supports CK. Most of them are African-American. I don't know if that is a factor.
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Re: Black players protest

Post by RPW » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:18 am

For those that say CK sucks... Did you take a look at the box score so far in Buffalo?
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Re: Black players protest

Post by joefutbol » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:20 am

Nathan Peterman is far better than Colin Kaepernick.

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Re: Black players protest

Post by RPW » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:29 pm

I was trying to find a stat line during his time in SF that was worse than this. Wasn't able to... can you find it for me?

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Josh Allen 6/15 74 4.9 0 0 3-16 56.0
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Re: Black players protest

Post by Vilepagan » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:56 pm

BuckW wrote: The tradition of standing for the National Anthem started during the 1918 World Series to show respect and support for our military that were fighting World War 1.
Interestingly...
Refusal to stand during the national anthem became a widespread form of protest during World War I. In some cases, this was related to protest of conscription. It was also associated with support for Socialism, Bolshevism, or Communism. In one case, supporters of the Communism refused to stand during the song at a trial of Emma Goldman. The act of protest was very controversial, and many people were highly offended, so that even accidentally remaining seated could result in violence.

Protests during the anthem continued after World War I. For example, during the build-up towards World War II, a group of students at Haverford College in Philadelphia refused to stand because they felt the custom was leading to "rabid nationalism". In 1943 in Arizona a federal judge ruled that members of Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be suspended from school for refusing to stand during the national anthem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._nati ... m_protests

It would seem that standing for the anthem isn't the only thing with a long tradition.
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Re: Black players protest

Post by joefutbol » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:27 pm

Even then, is there a worse reason to do something than "That's the way we've always done it!"?

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Re: Black players protest

Post by Bick » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:11 pm

Yes JF. Doing something just because it's your right to do so, regardless if it offends those who provided that same right.

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Re: Black players protest

Post by John Q. Public » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:58 pm

No problem, Joe. We aren't offended. At least those of us who think All Amendments Matter aren't.
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Re: Black players protest

Post by Bick » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:16 pm

No problem JQP - there's over 165 million Americans who think it's a BS move.

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Re: Black players protest

Post by Professor Fate » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:31 pm

That they legally have the right to kneel is unquestioned. The fact that we have the right to find it distasteful and to react negatively to it is also unquestioned, and if that places consequences on their kneeling, that's the way it goes.
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Re: Black players protest

Post by joefutbol » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:38 pm

Bick wrote: just because it's your right to do so,
Except that's not the reason. If it was we'd be having a different discussion.

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