First Charges filed by Mueller

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Post by broman » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:29 pm

Professor Fate wrote: NY Times had to walk back a key part of their claims:
The part that says that the Trump campaign had over 100 contacts with Russians?

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

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ABC's Karl: Sources say Mueller report is 'almost certain to be anti-climactic'

..."There have been expectations that have been building, of course, for over a year," Karl told "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos on Sunday. "But people who are closest to what Mueller has been doing, interacting with the special counsel, caution me that this report is almost certain to be anti-climactic."

"If you look at what the FBI was investigating in that New York Times report, you look at what they were investigating, Mueller did not go anywhere with that investigation," Karl continued. "He has been writing his report in real time through these indictments and we have seen nothing from Mueller on the central question of, was there any coordination, collusion, with the Russians in the effort to meddle in the elections? Or was there even any knowledge on the part of the president or anybody in his campaign with what the Russians were doing, there’s been no indication of that."

...The insight from Karl, who has also covered Capitol Hill, the Pentagon and State Department during his 15 years at ABC News, came just days after NBC News reported that Mueller's report is expected to be released in March.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by John Q. Public » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm

Both Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, the deputy campaign manager, transferred the data to Mr.
Kilimnik in the spring of 2016 as Mr. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination,
according to a person knowledgeable about the situation. Most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign, according to the person
Fixed it for you, Professor. As if funneling confidential campaign information to pro-Russian Ukrainians is somehow different from funneling confidential campaign information to a Russian operative.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by broman » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:49 pm

Professor Fate wrote: UH-OH! Make sure the safe spaces are fully stocked up with play-doh. Man the suicide lines. Keep a close eye on Wabash, Broman, VP, and Omar!
Time to unlock the WTF thread.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by broman » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:08 pm

Bernstein also said he has been told that the draft of Mueller's final report shows Trump helped Putin "destabilize" the U.S.

"Look, Trump keeps going back to the idea we need better relations with Russia. Could be. He could well be right," Bernstein said. "But from a point of view of strength and what everybody can see is that he has not acted with Russia from the United States having a strength advantage with Russia. Rather, he has done what appears to be Putin’s goals. He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not, and that is part of what the draft of Mueller’s report, I’m told, is to be about.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... ize-the-us

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by broman » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:29 pm

More from Johnathan Karl
STEPHANOPOULOS: They hadn’t laid that out yet in the indictments but how do things like the Trump Tower meeting with Russians, Don Jr., Paul Manafort – Paul Manafort giving polling data to Ukrainian oligarchs, the pursuit of a Trump Tower in Moscow. How does that fit into this theory?

KARL: What we’ve certainly seen over and over again is the people around the president, first of all, have been willing to lie to investigation – investigators, and had their own dealings with Russians, had their own agendas with Russians. And Manafort was trying to get paid for his work on behalf of Ukraine. Flynn had his own dealings. But it is not added up to anything of the central question, again, was there anybody – was the Trump campaign aware of or coordinating with the Russians in their effort to meddle with the election. So far there’s been nothing on that and I’m led to believe – don’t expect there’s going to
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by broman » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:03 am

Credo ut intelligam wrote: anything short of proof of treason is going to be laughed at by half the country
What is the record for limbo?
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Credo ut intelligam » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:27 pm

broman wrote: "Look, Trump keeps going back to the idea we need better relations with Russia. Could be. He could well be right," Bernstein said.
Yeah. At least Hillary and Obama thought so in 2009 with their "Russian re-set."
broman wrote: He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not, and that is part of what the draft of Mueller’s report, I’m told, is to be about.”
Political hack Carl Bernstein at his foaming-at-the-mouth finest. Pray tell, how exactly has Putin "destabilized" the United States? If anyone has destabilized the country, that lies with the Democrats who have never accepted the results of a legitimate election and have sought to smear, slander, and besmirch the President, his supporters, and anyone associated with him.

Again, if this is the juice in Mueller's report, it's a dud....DOA.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Omar Bongo » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:12 am

broman wrote:The part that says that the Trump campaign had over 100 contacts with Russians?
Wow, that's incredible. When first questioned a couple of years ago didn't they all say there were none? Didn't various Trump family members and minions lie about their contacts multiple times when specifically asked if they had any? Why would they have over 100 contacts with Russians and then try lamely to lie about it? What ever could make them do such a stupid thing?
Credo ut intelligam wrote: Political hack Carl Bernstein at his foaming-at-the-mouth finest
Still mad about Watergate :giggle:
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Credo ut intelligam wrote: If anyone has destabilized the country, that lies with the Democrats who have never accepted the results of a legitimate election and have sought to smear, slander, and besmirch the President, his supporters, and anyone associated with him.
You must have been asleep during the eight years of the Obama Administration. The GOP led the charge of claiming Obama was not a legitimate president due to a supposed forged birth certificate. And who led that charge? Donald effing Trump.

Spare us your sophistry.
Omar Bongo wrote: Wow, that's incredible. When first questioned a couple of years ago didn't they all say there were none? Didn't various Trump family members and minions lie about their contacts multiple times when specifically asked if they had any? Why would they have over 100 contacts with Russians and then try lamely to lie about it? What ever could make them do such a stupid thing?
And that's the point Trump supporters continually try to brush aside. They have never acted like innocent people.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Omar Bongo » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:32 am

The wheels on the bus go round and round, and whoooops! There goes Manafort under them!

Rudy Giuliani Says Trump Didn't Collude With Russia But Can't Say If Campaign Aides Did

Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that he never denied President Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign, only that the President himself was not involved in collusion.

In an interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "Cuomo Prime Time," Giuliani, a former New York mayor and Trump's attorney, said he doesn't know if other people in the campaign, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, were working with the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential race.

"I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign," Giuliani said.


https://us.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/ ... index.html

Good god, the lies and backpedaling and obfuscation just never end...it's simply incredible. Day is night and black is white. Up is down, blue is red and what you heard is not what I said.

How can anyone with a shred of intelligence believe anything that comes out of their mouths anymore? How can anyone continue to defend this morally bankrupt cabal of shameless liars?
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by John Q. Public » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:51 am

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by MDDad » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:35 am

Wabash wrote:You must have been asleep during the eight years of the Obama Administration. The GOP led the charge of claiming Obama was not a legitimate president due to a supposed forged birth certificate.
Obama's not the president.

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Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:06 am

Could you tell CUI that? Thanks.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Wabash » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:42 am

Cohen just admitted to paying pollsters to come up with outcomes that favored Trump. No matter how bad things are for Donald Trump, there is always a poll that he can hold up in his Twitter rants to prove that he’s more popular than Lincoln. Now we know he does it. He does it the old-fashioned way: by cheating. And who helped Cohen? The godly and moralizing Jerry Falwell Jr.....SMH
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Professor Fate » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:22 pm

Omar Bongo wrote: Rudy Giuliani Says Trump Didn't Collude With Russia But Can't Say If Campaign Aides Did
Giuliani is Trump's lawyer, not Manafort's Cohen's, not Flynn's, not anybody's except Trump.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Professor Fate » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:27 pm

Wabash wrote: Cohen just admitted to paying pollsters to come up with outcomes that favored Trump.
Supposedly, before Trump ran for president. Also, he (Cohen) was unsuccessful.
Wabash wrote: Now we know he does it.
Well, at least we know Cohen says so. And we all know how trustworthy he is, now don't we?
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Vilepagan » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:39 pm

Professor Fate wrote: Giuliani is Trump's lawyer...
I know...hilarious isn't it?
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Vilepagan » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:43 pm

Professor Fate wrote: And we all know how trustworthy he is, now don't we?
Interesting to see how trustworthy the people are who are/were closest to trump, no?

Great defense, btw. Just know that it really doesn't make the president look too good. As matter of fact, convincing us that trump's personal lawyer is a lying scumbag really doesn't help trump at all.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by John Q. Public » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:47 pm

And he paid a programmer to write a voting bot, not a pollster to fix a poll.

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