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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Wabash » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:19 pm

This post makes no sense.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Wabash » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:35 pm

I'm betting Mueller will present evidence of significant wrongdoing. Which won't matter to the GOP in either body of the legislature. They gave up any claims to a moral compass long ago.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by broman » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:45 pm

I'm reading the executive summaries of the Mueller Report again......

Pelosi dropped the ball, follow the yellow brick road Mueller laid out for you.

1. Campaign sought and believed it would benefit from Russian help.. (
2. Members of the campaign lied to the Special Council and the investigators
3. Trump tried to shut down the investigation through Sessions.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Vilepagan » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:59 pm

Tommy Tar wrote:QR_BBPOST Some of you guys put all your eggs in Mueller's basket...
And some of us are just willing to wait and see how it all plays out in the end. No eggs, no basket, just waiting and watching.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Wabash » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:15 am

If there is nothing wrong or illegal why is Trump going nuts to shut people up and not allow them to tell the truth?

If were as innocent as he claims, he would be encouraging them to testify so that he would be exonerated.

The Justice Department has reportedly instructed two of former special counsel Robert Mueller's top deputies not to testify to two congressional panels.
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Post by Playthegame » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:18 am

This is awesome..the decepticons :steam: see the future and it ain’t bright!

It has been easy with The Obama admin, weaponizing various agencies and corruption rampant, they never thought Trump would win and the liars and perps would would never get caught! Now the wheels are coming off...multiple investigations, including soon to be IG report and DOJ and one other looking into FISA abuse and the coup attempt which is likely to lead to the former president are underway!

The media, for the most part is completely in the tank, untruthful, unreliable and also corrupt so much so that their audience has been diminishing for sometime.

So the Mueller report was to be the big gotcha and it was a big nothing burger, no collusion...no conclusion...just delusion... ROFL

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Playthegame » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:33 am

Vilepagan wrote:And some of us are just willing to wait and see how it all plays out in the end. No eggs, no basket, just waiting and watching.
Surely you jest! This does not sound like your crowd! That being said you’d be wise to follow your own advice!

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Post by John Q. Public » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:39 am

The DOJ sent Mueller a letter telling him to stay within the confines of the report, which he'd already announced, anyway.

I'm thinking that's a good thing, and if anything, it might help to keep the hearings from turning into ****shows. The Democrats' only purpose should be to illuminate and clarify what's in the report in the first place. I'd think that the letter would cause more problems for the Republicans, whose strategy seems to be to discredit the investigation and divert attention by bringing in topics that it didn't cover. It probably won't make any difference with their wild-ass rants, but if they have any actual questions planned, I'd think all they'd get is "I can't speak to that, Congressman."
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Wabash » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:03 am

Playthegame wrote:QR_BBPOST The media, for the most part is completely in the tank, untruthful, unreliable and also corrupt so much so that their audience has been diminishing for sometime.
Or it could be they are telling the absolute truth and Trump is actually as much more corrupt than they are reporting.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Playthegame » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:04 am

Squirrel!

Cracks me up these clowns strain at nats, yet in their...so we are to believe...search for truth are blind to all serious violations of the law. Who paid for the Russian dossier? How it was used to defraud the FISA court? The fact that it was known to be unverified yet they told the FISA court in writing that it was verified. Illegal unmasking of of US citizens...

HRC’s mishandling of classified information, wiping her server, talk about obstruction and that is public info! Yet Big Al can’t seem to get his eyes open long enough to just take a look...anyone who is objective would think it odd that HRC just got a pass, had two lawyers at her interview while the same guys told Flynn Oh you don’t need a lawyer...Comey even said Flynn did not lie yet ol Weinstein convinced Puppetman Mueller to charge him and ruin his life...yep that’s kind of justice we should all fear...yet some knuckleheads try to point to this, the Framing of Flynn via a very questionable, set up purjury trap, and point to this as egregious illegality...

This kind of deception is what has turned off many American citizens and why many good Dems just don’t recognize their party and flatly admit their party has moved too far to left and why 2020 will be watershed landslide win for freedom loving American Citizens who finally have a President putting their hopes and dreams and security first...

Al you’re either ignorant or a perp...A or B, Nat that hard to see, take a zanny and hopefully you’ll relax long enough to get those eyes opened up enough to see, weigh and hopefully see the truth...pun intended...
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Playthegame » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:19 am

Wabash wrote:Or it could be they are telling the absolute truth and Trump is actually as much more corrupt than they are reporting.
Right...much more than HRC, Clinton Foundation, Biden/ Ukraine -Hunter Biden, you can keep your doctor, your healthcare costs will go down, not a smidgeon of corruption...witness the demise of the party formerly known as the Democratic Party...welcome to the new age! Now the National Socialist party...we want your guns...hmmm, where have we heard that before!

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Playthegame » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:49 am

broman wrote:I'm reading the executive summaries of the Mueller Report again......

Pelosi dropped the ball, follow the yellow brick road Mueller laid out for you.

1. Campaign sought and believed it would benefit from Russian help.. (
Speaking about seeking help from the Russians for benefit of his campaign, listen to Adam Schiff perhaps the penultimate liar doing virtually the same thing he accuses Trump campaign of doing, HRC Dirty dossier O.K., Ol Schiffty showin em how to do it...Bring in the Clowns...melody...

[bbvideo=560,315]https://youtu.be/m3Rut64GDgA[/bbvideo]

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Wabash » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:13 am

Playthegame wrote:QR_BBPOST Right...much more than HRC, Clinton Foundation, Biden/ Ukraine -Hunter Biden, you can keep your doctor, your healthcare costs will go down, not a smidgeon of corruption...witness the demise of the party formerly known as the Democratic Party...welcome to the new age! Now the National Socialist party...we want your guns...hmmm, where have we heard that before!
None of those individuals are currently president. Nor does it preclude the possibility that Trump is guilty of numerous offenses.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Playthegame » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:23 am

All true...problem is it seems to not matter or there is no problem when a Democrat commits crimes but my goodness there is a possibility that after a weaponized government attacks it’s citizenry and individuals using threats of incarceration and exorbitant legal costs to coerce their testimony or falsely charge them is just fine.

It is hypocrisy on your part and others not judge your own house, which you should do first, if you were sincere but that’s not the case...

Hope that helps...

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Wabash » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:24 am

I believe both sides are innocent till proven guilty. The subject here is Mueller and his report relating to Trump's alleged activities.

Your citing of alleged Dem impropriety isn't relevant to the topic.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Luca » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:48 am

This has become Internet equivalent of "Groundhog Day." The political equivalent of Barack Obama’s tireless "Birther" accusers. The modern day equivalent of Sacco and Vanzetti, the Rosenberg's, etc.

It’s an interesting phenomenon how conspiracy theories never die. It’s because they’re almost impossible to disprove. The conspiracy accusations tend to evolve from “If you cannot prove that the conspiracy did occur, then you must be guilty because you cannot prove that it did not occur." In this particular case it’s even more arcane: “If you cannot prove that you did not attempt to obstruct an investigation into a crime that did not occur, then you must be guilty."

At the risk of belaboring the obvious: There is nothing here. There is no evidence that Donald Trump conspired with Russian agents - however vaguely you choose to define that term - to influence the election results. The conspiracy accusations were evaluated thoroughly by a team of partisan investigators and they did not find evidence of the conspiracy, far less any "high crimes or misdemeanors" that would justify impeachment. Trying to prove “intended obstruction of justice” when there is no evidence that justice was in fact obstructed would be, to put it kindly, a bit of a hard sell for any impartial jury.

Nothing is going to come of the pending Mueller hearings other than additional smoke, which for some perhaps is the intention. Even if the yahoos push forward an impeachment vote it would likely lose in the House. Even if it did not it would unquestionably be tossed in the Senate.

It makes no difference to me how it plays out because the final outcome is as predictable as the sunrise. Some people enjoy political theater but I suspect the majority only read about it after they finish the sports page and entertainment section, if at all.

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Post by Wabash » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:55 am

Luca wrote:QR_BBPOST At the risk of belaboring the obvious: There is nothing here. There is no evidence that Donald Trump conspired with Russian agents - however vaguely you choose to define that term - to influence the election results. The conspiracy accusations were evaluated thoroughly by a team of partisan investigators and they did not find evidence of the conspiracy, far less any "high crimes or misdemeanors" that would justify impeachment. Trying to prove “intended obstruction of justice” when there is no evidence that justice was in fact obstructed would be, to put it kindly, a bit of a hard sell for any impartial jury.
Then why all the lies and secrecy? We know one thing for sure. Their actions are not those of innocent people...........Wabash
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Post by Vilepagan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:20 am

Luca wrote:QR_BBPOST It’s an interesting phenomenon how conspiracy theories never die.
I know, really...I assume the "conspiracy theory" you're talking about is the one where the FBi and numerous other security agencies allegedly conspired to unseat trump? Or are you supporting the theory put forth by PTG?
In this particular case it’s even more arcane: “If you cannot prove that you did not attempt to obstruct an investigation into a crime that did not occur, then you must be guilty."
Luca, I hope you're not suggesting that since there was no crime there can be no obstruction. That's just false.
At the risk of belaboring the obvious: There is nothing here. There is no evidence that Donald Trump conspired with Russian agents - however vaguely you choose to define that term - to influence the election results. The conspiracy accusations were evaluated thoroughly by a team of partisan investigators and they did not find evidence of the conspiracy...
Ok.
...far less any "high crimes or misdemeanors" that would justify impeachment.
Whoa, slow down there Nelly. The Mueller Report made no such claim...why are you trying to foist this claim off as the truth when we all know it's just wishful thinking on your part. Shame on you for repeating the same nonsense as the talking idiots on FOX News.
Trying to prove “intended obstruction of justice” when there is no evidence that justice was in fact obstructed would be, to put it kindly, a bit of a hard sell for any impartial jury.
There's plenty of evidence he attempted to obstruct justice as should be obvious even to the most jaded observer, and the obstruction need not be successful for it to be criminal.
Nothing is going to come of the pending Mueller hearings other than additional smoke, which for some perhaps is the intention.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see if your prediction comes true...this time...your prior prediction that this whole thing was "over" seems to have been a bit off.
It makes no difference to me how it plays out because the final outcome is as predictable as the sunrise.
As for me I'll wait. I think it's a bit premature to have decided who's guilty and of what.
Do you guys seriously not see where this is headed?
Do you not wish to make your decisions based on all the facts..or is that you're convinced there are no more facts for you to learn on this issue?
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Post by John Q. Public » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:40 am

Luca wrote:QR_BBPOST At the risk of belaboring the obvious: There is nothing here. There is no evidence that Donald Trump conspired with Russian agents - however vaguely you choose to define that term - to influence the election results. The conspiracy accusations were evaluated thoroughly by a team of partisan investigators and they did not find evidence of the conspiracy,...
Correct up to there except for where you left the "non-" out of "non-partisan." Unless caring about the law and the Constitution are considered partisan now.
...far less any "high crimes or misdemeanors" that would justify impeachment. Trying to prove “intended obstruction of justice” when there is no evidence that justice was in fact obstructed would be, to put it kindly, a bit of a hard sell for any impartial jury.
They did find those. They didn't even have to dig for them. Most of them were right out in the open, as were the violations of the "take care" clause in his oath of office. It didn't have to be that way though, since there was "insufficient evidence to charge Donald with criminal conspiracy" - if that were an option, which it's not. But Donald stepped in it bigly when he tried to end, block and/or obstruct the "investigation into Russian interference in our election" by tampering with witnesses, trying to get Sessions to un-recuse himself (additional charge in that by getting private citizen Lewandowski involved) and trying to fire Rosenstein and Mueller. Those are all major no-noes, both criminally and constitutionally.

And, no, there doesn't have to be sufficient evidence to charge the obstructor with a crime to charge him with obstruction. In most cases that only shows that the obstruction worked and actually makes the prosecution's case stronger.
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Post by John Q. Public » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:53 am

In other words, there would have been no evidence of any crimes, no "Part 2" and, I assume, you and PTG would be pretty happy with the outcome if Don hadn't tried to interfere in the investigation. But he did and that's where we are now.
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