Why the gun industry doesn't like Republicans

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Post by ShiftyMutt » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:49 pm

"School shooting in US checklist":
1. Send thoughts & prayers but not actually do anything useful. <check>
2. Argue over semantics of the term "assault rifle". <check>
3. Argue over semantics of the term "terrorist" - if Muslim use it, if Christian use term "lone wolf" <check>
4. Congress does nothing but NRA increases donations just in case <check>
5. Attribute shooting to mental health issue only. Do nothing again. <check>
6. Add more guns. If only there was a 'good guy' with a gun handy. <check>
7. Ignore correlation between gun violence and gun ownership in other industrialized countries. <check>
8. Argue about 2nd Amendment and ignore the whole “well-regulated” part. <check>
9. If we only had a Wall. <check>
10. Wait for next one, repeat

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Post by Professor Fate » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:52 pm

Besides nuts like this guy, I still don't understand why terrorists haven't gone after soft targets like schools. They did in in Chechnya. Security seriously needs to be upgraded at our schools.
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Post by Omar Bongo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:55 pm

What terrorists?
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Post by Professor Fate » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:11 pm

Chechen separatists.

Another school attack in Pakistan by the Taliban killed 140.
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Post by joefutbol » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:12 pm

Professor Fate wrote:The answer isn't gun control. It's security.
What question is that answering, exactly?

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Post by Professor Fate » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:19 pm

How to stop (or at least to lessen the severity of) school shootings.
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Post by Omar Bongo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:41 pm

Professor Fate wrote: Chechen separatists.
I thought you lived in Colorado
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Post by Professor Fate » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:26 pm

I go wherever Kushner sends me.
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Post by joefutbol » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:23 am

Was that a bad marijuana joke, or just a bad joke?

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Post by Wabash » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:31 am

John Q. Public wrote: Probably coordinating the federal and state thoughts and prayers. :roll:
Thoughts and prayers is the term used by those who would like to say;

"Tough ****. Better you than me."

I refuse to be saddened or outraged any longer.

Ever since Sandy Hook, it's open season on Americans by Americans.

Don't ask for God to intervene in something so mundane.

If God can sit out the holocaust, a school shooting with less than 20 victims doesn't rate attention.
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Post by Wabash » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:09 am

One of my FB friends posted this. I agree with all of this.

I’m a gun owner, hunter, target shooter and concealed permit owner. So I guess not your typical liberal.
But I don’t have a problem with a number of limitations:

1. Mag limits. 10 round max. Yes, it’s loads of fun to empty a 30 rnd clip at the range, but I’m willing to give that up.

2. End production and sales of all semi-auto rifles larger than 22 caliber to the general public. Not confiscation. Just end the proliferation. If you can’t hit your big game animal with one shot, you need more range time.

3. Make illegal all modifications to increase rate of fire.

4. Background checks for every gun sale. Every single one.

The next several are the most important, as far as I’m concerned:

5. Repeal all legislation created to limit study of gun violence.

6. Establish a national database with the CDC specific for violent crimes, with standardized information for documenting gun violence.

7. Make it mandatory for all LEO agencies to participate in data gathering and submission to the database. This is to include every incident involving a firearm, whether discharged or not, whether LEO or civilian. We cannot have a reasonable discussion without data, and we don’t have accurate data.
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Post by John Q. Public » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:13 am

This is a response (since deleted) from one of the students to Donald's "prayers and condolences". Lots more from her and other students and parents. But it's probably too soon for them to be tweeting about it, right? And it seems some of the people offering "thoughts and prayers" are (oddly) deleting their tweets.

sarah @chaddiedabaddie · 18 hours ago
I don’t want your condolences you ****ing price of ****, my friends and teachers were shot. Multiple of my fellow classmates are dead. Do something instead of sending prayers. Prayers won’t fix this. But Gun control will prevent it from happening again.
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I’d add this to Tweet of the Day
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Wabash wrote: One of my FB friends posted this. I agree with all of this.

1. Mag limits. 10 round max. Yes, it’s loads of fun to empty a 30 rnd clip at the range, but I’m willing to give that up. I agree with that if you make it 15 rounds. (15 rounds was recently defeated in my state).

2. End production and sales of all semi-auto rifles larger than 22 caliber to the general public. Not confiscation. Just end the proliferation. If you can’t hit your big game animal with one shot, you need more range time. This one may not do what you think it will do. My understanding is that in some ways a 22 is worse because a 22 bullet is more prone to tumble end over end making a bigger hole than a bullet that goes straight in.

3. Make illegal all modifications to increase rate of fire. I Agree.

4. Background checks for every gun sale. Every single one. How do you enforce that among individuals?

5. Repeal all legislation created to limit study of gun violence. What would findings from multi-million dollar studies do for us?

6. Establish a national database with the CDC specific for violent crimes, with standardized information for documenting gun violence. Broken down, I presume, into type of gun used.

7. Make it mandatory for all LEO agencies to participate in data gathering and submission to the database. Yes, including the military (see Sutherland Springs shooting).This is to include every incident involving a firearm, whether discharged or not, whether LEO or civilian. No, having a gun legally sitting on your car seat, but that is incidentally concealed by an unfolded road map, is not relevant, for example.
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Post by Wabash » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:31 pm

Professor Fate wrote:

1. Mag limits. 10 round max. Yes, it’s loads of fun to empty a 30 rnd clip at the range, but I’m willing to give that up. I agree with that if you make it 15 rounds.
10 is more than adequate. Heck, I have a 1911A1 replica. Seven is enough.
Professor Fate wrote:2. End production and sales of all semi-auto rifles larger than 22 caliber to the general public. Not confiscation. Just end the proliferation. If you can’t hit your big game animal with one shot, you need more range time. This one may not do what you think it will do. My understanding is that in some ways a 22 is worse because a 22 bullet is more prone to tumble end over end making a bigger hole that a bullet that goes straight in.
Should have been more specific. .22 rimfire. I'll take my chances with a slow moving caliber with minimal range. There's a reason the Las Vegas shooter chose a .223 and not a .22 LR.
Professor Fate wrote:3. Make illegal all modifications to increase rate of fire. I Agree.
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Professor Fate wrote:4. Background checks for every gun sale. Every single one. How do you enforce that among individuals?
Same way we do with automobiles. Immediate confiscation for firearms in your possession not registered to the individual.
Professor Fate wrote:5. Repeal all legislation created to limit study of gun violence. What would findings from multi-million dollar studies do for us?
It will enable policy makers to address the root cause and pathology of the issue.
Professor Fate wrote:6. Establish a national database with the CDC specific for violent crimes, with standardized information for documenting gun violence. Broken down, I presume, into type of gun used.
Sure
Professor Fate wrote:7. Make it mandatory for all LEO agencies to participate in data gathering and submission to the database. Yes, including the military (see Sutherland Springs shooting).This is to include every incident involving a firearm, whether discharged or not, whether LEO or civilian. No, having a gun legally sitting on your car seat, but that is incidentally concealed by an unfolded road map, is not relevant, for example.
Data collection will add to the ability to address resources where they are needed.
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Post by Professor Fate » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:36 pm

Wabash wrote: Same way we do with automobiles. Immediate confiscation for firearms in your possession not registered to the individual.
Isn't that already the law?
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Re: Why the gun industry doesn't like Republicans

Post by Wabash » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:41 pm

I don't know. Maybe throw in a mandatory sentence and heavy fine.
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Re: Why the gun industry doesn't like Republicans

Post by Professor Fate » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:54 pm

John Q. Public wrote: We're averaging one every 2.5 days for the year, so maybe tomorrow or Friday morning?
Good article in the Washington Post showing how bogus that 18 shootings figure really is.

Everytown explains on its website that it defines a school shooting as “any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds.”

...Five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Three others appeared to be intentional shootings but did not hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours.

...Take, for example, what it counted as the year’s first: On the afternoon of Jan. 3, a 31-year-old man who had parked outside a Michigan elementary school called police to say he was armed and suicidal. Several hours later, he killed himself. The school, however, had been closed for seven months. There were no teachers. There were no students.

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Post by John Q. Public » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:10 pm

Oh! What a relief! :whew: Only 8! Or one every five-and-a-half days. That gives us until Monday till we can't talk about keeping guns out of psychos hands again.
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Post by Professor Fate » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:14 pm

The math is a bit fuzzy, but the Post article says "Five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. "

But I agree that even 5 is 5 too many.
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