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Re: How can this be?

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:51 pm
by Wabash
Of course it doesn't. They only apply morals to liberals.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:10 pm
by Omar Bongo
Professor Fate wrote: It appears the Stormy Daniels thing hasn't hurt Trump among Church goers, non-church goers, women, or men.
Equal opportunity hypocrisy

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:50 am
by Professor Fate
Oh my. CNN has just reported that the Democratic lead in the generic congressional ballot has almost disappeared.
CNN poll: Democrats' 2018 advantage is nearly gone

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director

Washington (CNN)The generic congressional ballot has continued to tighten, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, with the Democrats' edge over Republicans within the poll's margin of sampling error for the first time this cycle.

About six months out from Election Day, 47% of registered voters say they back the Democratic candidate in their district, 44% back the Republican. Voters also are divided almost evenly over whether the country would be better off with the Democrats in control of Congress (31%) or with the GOP in charge (30%). A sizable 34% -- including nearly half of independent voters (48%) -- say it doesn't matter which party controls Congress.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/09/politics ... index.html

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:18 am
by Wabash
Now we are to believe polls? Is this the same poll that said Hillary couldn't lose?

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:11 pm
by Professor Fate
Yes we are to believe the polls are still underestimating the Republicans.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:27 pm
by Omar Bongo
Oh my, polls go up and down...what's next, the stock market?

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:33 pm
by Wabash
More polling from Yahoo News that convinces me the laws against cousins having sex should be more strictly enforced.

61 Percent of Republicans Think the FBI Is Framing Trump, Poll Finds
A new poll from YouGov released Wednesday found a majority of Republicans think the FBI is working to frame President Donald Trump amid the ongoing investigation into his connections with Russia.

YouGov asked U.S. adults: "Do you believe Donald Trump is being framed by the FBI and the Department of Justice?"
Sixty-one percent of Republicans responded with "Yes, he is being framed." Just 17 percent said he was not being framed while 21 percent were not sure. Overall, 29 percent of Americans thought that the FBI and Justice Department were working to frame the president. A plurality of 45 percent thought Trump was not being framed while 26 percent were not sure.

Perhaps predictably, not many Democrats—just 7 percent—thought the FBI was framing Trump while 78 percent responded no, according to YouGov. Twenty-five percent of independents thought Trump was being framed while 39 percent thought he was not.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:01 pm
by Omar Bongo
Interesting how "predictably" is only used to describe the Democrats' poll result :roll:

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:29 pm
by Professor Fate
Rasmussen's latest poll shows Trump's approval rating at 49% and disapproval at 50%. :shock: How can this be? Judging from this board, Trump is a liar, immoral, stupid, inept, etc., etc., etc.

Even the Real Clear Politics average has improved to where those who disapprove only lead those who approve by 8.9 percentage points. :shock: It hasn't been this good for Trump since March 21, 2017. And the trend is clearly upward for Trump, Democrats and their media allies trying to find scandal, and twist every word or event into a negative for Trump.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:38 pm
by Vilepagan
Professor Fate wrote: Judging from this board, Trump is a liar, immoral, stupid, inept, etc., etc., etc.
Judging from the news and his Twitter feed he's all of those things. You'll have to explain to us why so many people support him, because I can't figure out how so many people could be so glaringly stupid.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:39 pm
by Wabash
Professor Fate wrote: Rasmussen's latest poll shows Trump's approval rating at 49% and disapproval at 50%. How can this be? Judging from this board, Trump is a liar, immoral, stupid, inept, etc., etc., etc.
Each party is going to get plenty of good news and bad news in the next five months. If I were you I would not make too much of one week. And, in fact, the GOP did not have quite so good a week as it seemed. Let's start with the generic Republican vs. Democratic ballot. It's true that it's better to be up 18 points on the generic ballot than 3, but if national preference polls (and, for that matter, a good economy) were definitive, then President Clinton would be preparing for her next meeting with Angela Merkel right now. As any campaign manager knows, getting voters on your side is important, but getting them to the polls is the other half of the battle. And there remains every reason to believe that Democrats are more likely to show up to vote in November. And that is what matters most.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:40 pm
by Vilepagan
Professor Fate wrote: Democrats and their media allies trying to find scandal, and twist every word or event into a negative for Trump.
Yes professor, it's all a conspiracy, trump's really the very bestest president we've ever had. :giggle:

Did you post that with a straight face?

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:54 pm
by Omar Bongo
Democrats and their media allies trying to find scandal, and twist every word or event into a negative for Trump

That's the beauty of it, the dumb, offensive and illegal things he says and does are just reported verbatim, there's no need to "twist" anything...what you see is what you get

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:46 pm
by cruiser
Latest Rasmussen poll (only one that tracks on a daily basis since Gallup discontinued)
has Trump at 48% approval and 50% disapproval, hmm, not too bad for a guy that seems
to be shooting himself in the foot all the time, no?

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:05 pm
by crayegg
I think it's pretty clear after the last election that a substantial percentage of people lie to pollsters. Not sure why, but they do.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:53 pm
by Professor Fate
There's nobody else in the voting booth, but the voter, who can finally express himself or herself, without being swarmed over by the left.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:29 pm
by Wabash
crayegg wrote: I think it's pretty clear after the last election that a substantial percentage of people lie to pollsters. Not sure why, but they do.
The polls were pretty accurate. The prediction was that Clinton would get about 4% more of the vote than Trump. She got about 3%. What the polls got wrong was distribution.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:35 am
by John Q. Public
Today's Rasmussen survey flips to 50% approve, 49% disapprove. That's nuts. Even for them.

You.gov's most recent poll, though, gives a more realistic 39%-51%.

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:42 am
by John Q. Public
Maybe too nuanced for some of us, but scrolling through You.gov's results and seeing that most of the responses by party are completely opposite between Democrats and Republicans made me wonder if the numbers and party affiliations should be looked at differently.

Ferinstance, it's pretty much accepted fact that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. 87% of Democrats say that they did (8% not sure) while 47% of Republicans say that they didn't (23% not sure).

I see four ways of looking at that. And looking at responses over the entire list and not just that one.
  1. Are they Democrats or Republicans because that's the way they think?
  2. Do they think that way because they're Democrats or Republicans?
  3. Do they think that way because those are the opinions expressed by people they trust?
  4. Do they think that way because it's the party line (for whatever reason)?
Or is it a combination of all of the above or are those just different ways of trying to analyze the responses, individually or as a whole? The Foreign Babe calls me a freak, but I enjoy reading numbers like that and looking for nuances. I would assume that the pollsters, parties and candidates look at all the different angles but sometimes I'm not so sure - hence the approaches like "They don't vote Republican anyway" or "Trumpsters are just going to do whatever he tells them to do." Seems to me that singling out which approach is most accurate or most important would be a good first step in trying to understand why we think the way we do and to maybe heal our national division.

Or are my questions an endless loop?

Re: How can this be?

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:11 am
by Vilepagan
John Q. Public wrote: I see four ways of looking at that. And looking at responses over the entire list and not just that one.

Are they Democrats or Republicans because that's the way they think?
Do they think that way because they're Democrats or Republicans?
Do they think that way because those are the opinions expressed by people they trust?
Do they think that way because it's the party line (for whatever reason)?
Well, there's always reason #5...they didn't think at all, they have fear.