Illegal immigration cost

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Illegal immigration cost

Postby Donray » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:19 pm

Illegal immigration cost 116 billion a year.

If you disagree please provide proof where the site is wrong.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Wabash » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:38 pm

I'm betting the benefits outweigh the costs.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby John Q. Public » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:55 pm

The benefits don't outweigh the costs but they put a sizable dent in them. But, again, it's arguing the occupation and not the immigration status. American citizens doing the same work would cost just as much - or more, considering they're eligible for benefits illegals aren't.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby cruiser » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:29 pm

Donray wrote:Illegal immigration cost 116 billion a year.

If you disagree please provide proof where the site is wrong.




This is nothing new, illegal immigrants always get back more than what they pay in taxes,
and the more kids they have, the US citizen taxpayer gets screwed even more...

Social Security is the same way, a person who lives an average normal life always get's back
more than what he/she has put into it over the course of their working life.

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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby John Q. Public » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:37 pm

Just for the sake of argument - or for the sake of bringing logic and reason into a discussion where they aren't often found - let's say we get rid of all of the illegals picking our crops, slaughtering our meat, making Donald's beds and mowing his putting greens, milking Nunes' cows and, in the latest ICE raid, refurbishing phones and replace them with real American citizens or legal immigrants. Er, wait. Strike that last one. Low-wage workers don't qualify under the current immigration rules, so we replace all of them with American workers.

So. For starters, the unemployment rate would go down to, like, zero, which is never good because it tightens the labor market and drives up wages. But wages would have to go up anyway because Americans won't do that kind of work for those wages and no benefits, which would drive up costs. Also, American citizens and most legal immigrants actually are eligible for all of the benefits people claim illegals steal from us, which would also drive up costs and probably force a tax increase since low-wage workers cost more than they contribute, regardless of citizenship.

Is that really such a good idea or should we put turnstiles in Donald's wall or create a new guest worker policy? Or is a certain level of illegal immigration part of the Deep State's plan? It seems to me that our way of life pretty much requires us to have an underclass of workers because any alternative would cost us even more.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Donray » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:27 am

What proof do you have?

Almost all the illegal immigrates that come from the south lack education and don't speak English.

Tell me what other counties provide welfare to people in the country illegally?

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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby John Q. Public » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:36 am

If you're going to insist that people do your research for you, can you provide us with a list of countries that don't?
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Vilepagan » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:36 am

Donray wrote:Source of the post Tell me what other counties provide welfare to people in the country illegally?


How does an illegal immigrant apply for welfare?

Tell me what other countries provide welfare to the members of their armed forces?
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby John Q. Public » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:45 am

And could you tell us why somebody who's educated and speaks English would want to pick lettuce for a living?
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Vilepagan » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:49 am

You could always ask the Cato Institute...I hope they're conservative enough for ya...

Don’t Blame Immigrants for Bloated Welfare State

The Trump administration is in the process of writing new regulations to guarantee that certain immigrants won’t consume too many welfare or entitlement benefits. The welfare state is certainly a problem, but it’s a home-grown one, not an imported one. Welfare’s benefits are too large and too many people receive them. But the Trump administration should not blame this problem on immigrants.

In fact, immigrants use fewer welfare and entitlement benefits in than native-born Americans.

These were the results of a new study we produced for the Cato Institute. We examined data from 2016 on programs for the poor, such as Medicaid and food stamps, and also the entitlement programs of Social Security and Medicare. The latter two are the largest portion of the welfare state and twice as large as all welfare programs for the poor combined. We found that immigrants use 39 percent fewer welfare and entitlements benefits per person than native-born Americans. Immigrants are less likely to use the individual programs in most cases and, when they do, the benefits they receive tend to be smaller.


https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... fare-state
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Fordama » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:56 am

Donray wrote:What proof do you have?
No, according to you, claims are true unless someone can prove them false.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Donray » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:21 am

Could those that think we need illegal immigrants please tell me how Australia does without them.

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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Fordama » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:27 am

We don't need illegal immigrants, but we do need immigrant labor.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Donray » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:36 am

I have searched the web for the cost and befits of illegal criminals and have never found a good article that points out the benefits and that they do not cost the taxpayer.

All I am asking is that you have some kind of support for your beliefs . Otherwise it is stupid to debate without some supporting evidence.

You just don't like anyone asking you and other socialist progressives for support of your beliefs.

So, besides saying the study I present is wrong give some reason why the some data that supports your position. Maybe AM I wrong and we just debate and call each names and never present data that backs up are ideas?
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Wabash » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:37 am

I've said this numerous times. So I'll post it again.

Slavery will never be legally reinstituted, but for some American business the millions of illegal aliens are the next best thing: Illegal foreigners accept exploitation, don't complain about hazardous conditions, work for sub-living wages and don't demand expensive benefits. Why else would a company hire a non-English speaker who cannot understand instructions?

Our history of importing foreign workers is rooted not in a true need for such labor, but because American businesses want to avoid increasing the wages of their domestic workers.

The real demand for illegal immigrant labor comes from employers who pay minimum or below legal wages, while burdening the rest of society with these obscene social costs.

Then there is the subsidizing of Social Security and Medicare. But that's a different topic.

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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby John Q. Public » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:26 am

Donray wrote:Source of the post I have searched the web for the cost and befits of illegal criminals and have never found a good article that points out the benefits and that they do not cost the taxpayer

Probably because an article that would fully do that would likely make your brain hurt. It isn't something that can be explained with a simple balance sheet, although my post that you ignored tried to give a thumbnail of one aspect of it.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Wabash » Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:57 pm

Similarly, he ignores the complicity of the business community that benefits.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby cruiser » Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:27 pm

Anyone here read tech mags now days, a lot( lot) of the jobs done by illegal immigrants could be
done by automation, (especially agriculture) even now but business don't want to spend the money short term for it, though in the long run, businesses would actually save money.

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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Wabash » Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:49 pm

That doesn't change their complicity in the current state of using the labor of illegal immigrants.
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Re: Illegal immigration cost

Postby Donray » Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:55 pm

Can someone list these companies that hire only illegal immigrants???????

Do you think Citi Bank hires them??

What about wall street???

What about governmnet? Surly governments must be big hires for illegals????

Hospitals??

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