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Post by John Q. Public » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:09 pm

Tommy Tar wrote:QR_BBPOST Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.
And Republicans who voted for Hillary? It was a strange election but I'd guess they at least cancelled each other out.
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Post by ShiftyMutt » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:52 pm

Tommy Tar wrote:If you want Christians not to vote for Trump in 2020 then give us a better presidential candidate. .
Is this a serious statement?

Conservatives had about a dozen choices over Trump in 2016, of whom were far better representative of Christianity.

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Post by Wabash » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:02 pm

It bears repeating.
They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

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Post by cruiser » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:37 pm

What's weird is that if the Dem's get pulled to the left more by the socialist radicals of their party, (so say the
older established Dem's) -they will be handing a second term to Trump.

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Post by John Q. Public » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:50 pm

I sort of agree but I sort of don't. I don't agree at all with the "socialist radicals" part. It's always best to appeal to the biggest section of the bell curve but there's actually pretty good support - even with Republicans - for some of the things the Trumpist GOP is calling "radical." Some of them aren't even radical. You can scratch off guaranteed income but rolling back the tax law, promoting renewables, bringing back some environmental protections and Obamacare/Medicare-for-all/opt-in Medicare are all fairly popular with folks in the middle.
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Post by Vilepagan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:56 am

cruiser wrote:QR_BBPOST What's weird is that if the Dem's get pulled to the left more by the socialist radicals of their party, (so say the
older established Dem's) -they will be handing a second term to Trump.
What's weird is that trump was elected to a first term. Should he somehow be elected to a second....that would be more catastrophic than weird.
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Post by Fordama » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:17 am

John Q. Public wrote:...Some of them aren't even radical. You can scratch off guaranteed income but rolling back the tax law, promoting renewables, bringing back some environmental protections and Obamacare/Medicare-for-all/opt-in Medicare are all fairly popular with folks in the middle.
Indeed. Bernie's appearance on a FOX Town Hall was a great example. The ideas aren't that radical. They're actually pretty old. It's just that we've moved so far to the right over the last 30 years that what used to be mainstream is now being called socialist or Marxist. Scare words.
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Post by Tommy Tar » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:14 am

ShiftyMutt wrote:Is this a serious statement?

Conservatives had about a dozen choices over Trump in 2016, of whom were far better representative of Christianity.

Yes. I voted for Jimmy Carter over Ford. Clinton over H Bush and Obama over McCain so I don't just vote GOP. The President is not my Pastor and Chief and his/her faith is just one of many things I look at. Yes. Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee and Bobby Jindal are all strong Christians but the American voter wanted a pit bull not a show dog. I had no idea about Trump's Christian faith.

BTW I'm a registered democrat as I changed parties in 2016 so I could vote for Sanders in the California primary. I did not like Sanders but H Clinton and the DNC cheated the guy and got a pass. Living in Calif I knew a Trump vote was a waste of a vote so I voted for Jill Stein in the general election as a protest vote.
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Post by broman » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:00 pm



Seen this type of thinking in plenty of evangelical folks. Certain leaders which would include our current president, the nation of Israel and the new Israel (United States) have been granted dominion and power by God that their sins are forgiven, forgotten or justified. On the other hand, a gay man running for president will bring down God's wrath on the whole damn country. --:--

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Let me add, the need for constant brown nosing...... ](*,)

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Post by Fordama » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:52 pm

The classiest First Lady ever. Yeah, sure. Why not.
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Post by John Q. Public » Sat May 04, 2019 10:15 am

Interesting polling on electing a gay president: 70% of Americans, including 46% of Republicans, say they'd be "open to electing a gay man president" but only 36%, including only 43% of Democrats, think "the country is ready to elect" one.

Bob says he'd vote for one but he doesn't think Joe down the street would; Joe says he'd do it but he doesn't think Bob would. We seem to be more ready than we think we are. But 30% is still a sizable discount on that - and you gotta know they'd be pretty damn vocal about it. Count me among the "doubting" 70% but I think Buttigieg would make a helluva good cabinet member while we wait for those numbers to improve.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2617 near the bottom of the page
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Post by ShiftyMutt » Fri May 10, 2019 12:58 pm

So far, aside from Kamala, Mayor Pete is the only one that I’m not burning out on.

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Post by ShiftyMutt » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:59 pm

With the election of Trump there seems to be a need to revisit our norms..

Interesting idea from Mayor Pete - He calls for expanding the number of justices from nine to 15, with five affiliated with Democrats, five affiliated with Republicans, and five apolitical justices chosen by the first 10. Apparently a long shot but worth getting the discussion started. No better time than now, I say.

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Post by John Q. Public » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:19 pm

Nice thought but....

Fifteen's a bit much, and imagine if it somehow worked out to be 15 Clarence Thomases;
It would take an amendment to change how they're nominated;
What if, sometime in the future, one or both of those parties drops to third-party status? You'd have to amend the Amendment.

I don't have a problem at all with increasing the number of Justices though, after McConnell's stunt. I just wish they could all be unaffiliated.
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Post by John Q. Public » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:35 am

Buttigieg is the only one to get this answer right. Whether or not to prosecute Trump would be the Justice Department's call, not the President's. And nobody - not even Trump (or Hillary) should be "targeted" for prosecution. It isn't how our justice or political systems work.

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Post by Vilepagan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:37 pm

John Q. Public wrote:QR_BBPOST Buttigieg is the only one to get this answer right.
He's also the only one so far who seems to get the answer right all the time.
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Post by John Q. Public » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:31 am

First time I've seen Mayor Pete above even. Or maybe just the first time I've noticed. Don's almost to the point of polling worse than Williamson.

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Post by John Q. Public » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:34 pm

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Post by ShiftyMutt » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:50 pm

Team Pete!

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