Dem Debate 3

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Dem Debate 3

Postby ShiftyMutt » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:53 pm

Buttigieg! :thumbsup:

and..

Castro needs to step off :steam:



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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby Tommy Tar » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:02 am

Mayor Pete biggest problem is not with white evangelicals it's with black Americans.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/ ... rs-1322396

Joe Darby, a prominent pastor in Charleston, S.C., was discussing the Democratic presidential field with fellow clergymen when Pete Buttigieg’s name came up. A fellow pastor quickly interjected.

“Isn’t that the dude who kissed his husband on TV?” the person asked skeptically, according to Darby.
The exchange highlights a major obstacle for Buttigieg, who’s vaulted into the top tier of Democratic candidates without gaining traction among African Americans, according to recent surveys of national and South Carolina Democrats. But as the mayor of South Bend, Ind., devotes more effort to campaigning for black votes in the South and elsewhere, he will have to break down some resistance over his sexual orientation, particularly among older voters, according to interviews with more than a dozen African American activists, political strategists and clergy, as well as a review of public polling.
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Not just with older Christian voters, black lives matters leaders are all over him for a police shooting in mayors Pete's town where nothing was done after a white police officer shot and killed a unarmed black man.

East coast west coast voters may like Pete but the democrats need the black vote from the south and they don't have it with Pete.
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:41 am

It's also a problem for Hispanics. They're very conservative about marriage and family.
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby Vilepagan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:43 am

John Q. Public wrote:Source of the post They're very conservative about marriage and family.


Which means what exactly? It's not like trump is the poster boy for monogamy.
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby Tommy Tar » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:34 am

This thread is about the democrats and their candidates not a general elections with President Trump.
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:54 am

Vilepagan wrote:Source of the post Which means what exactly? It's not like trump is the poster boy for monogamy.

Which means they're very conservative about marriage and family, which would work against Mayor Pete. They're generally very accepting of their gay kids, but not so much of gays in society. They're also very entrepreneurial, as a whole. It's said that they'd be heavily Republican if Republicans didn't hate them.

I'm sure Trump's philandering is on the list of reasons why they don't like him. If he'd had a fling with a gay porn star he wouldn't get a single vote from them.
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby Vilepagan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:42 pm

John Q. Public wrote:Source of the post Which means they're very conservative about marriage and family...


I get that. I understand how Blacks and Hispanics feel about gays as a general rule. My point is that it's a little hard to predict how this will affect voting since as I mentioned earlier, it's not like trump has any "marriage and family" cards to play. If it were a choice between trump and Mayor Pete...how would the Hispanic vote play out?
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby Tommy Tar » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:59 pm

MSNBC, CNN, PBS, C-Span, SNL, John Oliver and Stephen Colbert are not the TV that blacks and latinos are watching. These news sources and comedy shows are preaching to the choir on both coasts.

https://variety.com/2017/biz/news/glaad ... 202641760/
GLAAD Report: LGBTQ Characters ‘Still Invisible’ in Primetime U.S. Spanish-Language TV.
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Black and Latinos are not going to sit in front of the TV with their kids and watch to men kissing on election night. The democrats have set up this identity politics so who is going to get thrown under the bus the homosexuals and their money or Black and Latinos with their votes?
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby Vilepagan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:32 pm

Tommy Tar wrote:Source of the post The democrats have set up this identity politics so who is going to get thrown under the bus the homosexuals and their money or Black and Latinos with their votes?


What a ridiculous question. Are the Democrats the only ones in the election?
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:48 pm

Vilepagan wrote:Source of the post If it were a choice between trump and Mayor Pete...how would the Hispanic vote play out?

My guess would be about like the black vote played out for Hillary. I don't know that any of the Democrats would exactly mobilize Latinos, except Beto and probably only in Texas, but I honestly think Mayor Pete is the only one who'd de-mobilize them.
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Re: Dem Debate 3

Postby ShiftyMutt » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:54 pm

I’m betting no matter what he’s guaranteed a high position in the next democrat admin. This has been a big leap for his future in politics for sure. Maybe not now but eventually. Let’s face it, he’s not ‘running out of time’ like some others.

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