Whistle blower vs Privilege

[Omar Bongo]

Could be worse, Tommy. We could have sacrificed all of our supposedly sacrosanct principles by defending an embarrassing immoral lying scumbag for purely political reasons...how do you guys sleep

[John Q. Public]

You know your case isn't going well when...

[Vilepagan]

Looks like we'll be treated to some more "alternative facts"...

Trump wants Republicans to release their own accounts from impeachment probe

President Trump on Sunday urged Republicans privy to last week's House Intelligence Committee hearings to come forward with their own transcripts from the closed-door meetings that Democrats claim bolstered their claim for impeachment.

Trump also appeared to suggest that he has information that a recent witness, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, is a “Never-Trumper.” He was asked about any evidence he may have about Vindman and he responded, “We’ll be showing that to you real soon.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ment-probe

Yeah...real soon...right after the indictments from the Benghazi investigation are handed down no doubt.

[Omar Bongo]

Or his plan to balance the budget in 8 years...or Obama's Kenyan birth certificate...or his tax returns...or...

[Wabash]

The issue that Trump supporters will never address.

When did personal political beliefs become illegal? When did it become illegal for an American citizen to hold beliefs in opposition to the president?

[John Q. Public]

Looks like we'll be treated to some more "alternative facts"...

Pretty clear that's what he's asking for but there could be repercussions if they produce them. Hearing transcripts are recorded by official congressional stenographers and are signed by the witnesses to verify their accuracy. There are no Republican or Democrat versions of the Congressional Record.

[Wabash]

The guy Trump cited as proof there wasn’t a Quid Pro Quo just said there was a Quid Pro Quo.

[Omar Bongo]

Spin the wheel:

a) it didn't happen
b) get over it
c) yeah, but Bill and Hillary...
d) never Trumpers!

[John Q. Public]

e) I'm not gonna read it - Lindsey Graham

[John Q. Public]

Alright, we're down to "being a moron isn't a high crime or misdemeanor."

[crayegg]

But I'm afraid extorting a foreign power for political gain, IS A CRIME.

[broman]

I think abuse of power is the stronger case. Trump tells the President of Ukraine to connect with Rudy G.... who by the way is still claiming he is working for Trump the individual.

[John Q. Public]

I'd think that abuse of power and self-dealing would be exactly what most of the Founding Fathers meant by "high crimes." But it's still a little vague because there were some royalists in the bunch. And none of them could have foreseen a Republican Party that would be niggling over abuse of power and self-dealing not being statutory crimes. But ya gotta know that Jefferson and Madison would be screaming "WTF is wrong with you people?" if they were alive today.

[John Q. Public]

Ya know, it just occurred to me.... As far as offenses presidents have been impeached over, Jefferson might have sided with Clinton.

[John Q. Public]

So Rudy's all lawyered up now and his strategy will be........ "whatever I did, I did at the behest of my 'client' (i.e. I just work here/Yer on yer own, Don)." Donald's strategy is that he didn't do anything wrong and/or he's bigger than the bus Rudy's throwing him under. And that kind of forces him not to fire him, at least for now. The Cohen situation all over again except this time it isn't just a porn star.

[Tommy Tar]

Rudy and porn stars?

We give up on the blower?

Look out Charlie Brown.

[Omar Bongo]

We give up on the blower?

Give it a rest wouldja, that was 20 years and 3 presidents ago

[Wabash]

The current tactic being is known as the "moron defense," which holds that the president is too dumb to commit all the crimes it appears he has committed. So far, Graham's the only one I've heard articulate that defense in this case and I would guess that's because it's bound to make Trump livid. You may have noticed that he sees himself as a "very stable genius" and he'd probably rather be impeached than hear Republicans say that he was too stupid to have committed a crime.

In other words: This might be a crime in the hands of some other administration, but not in the hands of the Trump administration, because they are so incompetent they are incapable of pulling it off. Needless to say, that doesn't quite square with reality—plenty of folks involved were 100% convinced that an act of extortion was underway. Schiff might also get a lawyer or two to take the stand and point out that incompetence is not actually a valid defense. It's still attempted murder, even if the perpetrator forgets to load the gun.

[John Q. Public]

Mobster calling on more witnesses to testify. #TooDumbToCrime

[Wabash]

He sounds scared.