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Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:19 pm
by Omar Bongo
Could be worse, Tommy. We could have sacrificed all of our supposedly sacrosanct principles by defending an embarrassing immoral lying scumbag for purely political reasons...how do you guys sleep :eh?:

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:37 pm
by John Q. Public
You know your case isn't going well when...


Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:53 am
by Vilepagan
Looks like we'll be treated to some more "alternative facts"...

Trump wants Republicans to release their own accounts from impeachment probe

President Trump on Sunday urged Republicans privy to last week's House Intelligence Committee hearings to come forward with their own transcripts from the closed-door meetings that Democrats claim bolstered their claim for impeachment.

Trump also appeared to suggest that he has information that a recent witness, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, is a “Never-Trumper.” He was asked about any evidence he may have about Vindman and he responded, “We’ll be showing that to you real soon.”


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ment-probe

Yeah...real soon...right after the indictments from the Benghazi investigation are handed down no doubt.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:01 am
by Omar Bongo
Or his plan to balance the budget in 8 years...or Obama's Kenyan birth certificate...or his tax returns...or...

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:25 am
by Wabash
The issue that Trump supporters will never address.

When did personal political beliefs become illegal? When did it become illegal for an American citizen to hold beliefs in opposition to the president?

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:42 am
by John Q. Public
Vilepagan wrote: Looks like we'll be treated to some more "alternative facts"...
Pretty clear that's what he's asking for but there could be repercussions if they produce them. Hearing transcripts are recorded by official congressional stenographers and are signed by the witnesses to verify their accuracy. There are no Republican or Democrat versions of the Congressional Record.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:32 pm
by Wabash
The guy Trump cited as proof there wasn’t a Quid Pro Quo just said there was a Quid Pro Quo.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:41 pm
by Omar Bongo
Spin the wheel:

a) it didn't happen
b) get over it
c) yeah, but Bill and Hillary...
d) never Trumpers!

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:51 pm
by John Q. Public
e) I'm not gonna read it - Lindsey Graham

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:10 am
by John Q. Public
Alright, we're down to "being a moron isn't a high crime or misdemeanor."


Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:38 pm
by crayegg
But I'm afraid extorting a foreign power for political gain, IS A CRIME.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:50 pm
by broman
I think abuse of power is the stronger case. Trump tells the President of Ukraine to connect with Rudy G.... who by the way is still claiming he is working for Trump the individual.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:58 pm
by John Q. Public
I'd think that abuse of power and self-dealing would be exactly what most of the Founding Fathers meant by "high crimes." But it's still a little vague because there were some royalists in the bunch. And none of them could have foreseen a Republican Party that would be niggling over abuse of power and self-dealing not being statutory crimes. But ya gotta know that Jefferson and Madison would be screaming "WTF is wrong with you people?" if they were alive today.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:05 pm
by John Q. Public
Ya know, it just occurred to me.... As far as offenses presidents have been impeached over, Jefferson might have sided with Clinton.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:37 am
by John Q. Public
So Rudy's all lawyered up now and his strategy will be........ "whatever I did, I did at the behest of my 'client' (i.e. I just work here/Yer on yer own, Don)." Donald's strategy is that he didn't do anything wrong and/or he's bigger than the bus Rudy's throwing him under. And that kind of forces him not to fire him, at least for now. The Cohen situation all over again except this time it isn't just a porn star.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:57 pm
by Tommy Tar
Rudy and porn stars?

We give up on the blower?

Look out Charlie Brown. :lol:

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:23 pm
by Omar Bongo
We give up on the blower?

Give it a rest wouldja, that was 20 years and 3 presidents ago

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:47 pm
by Wabash
The current tactic being is known as the "moron defense," which holds that the president is too dumb to commit all the crimes it appears he has committed. So far, Graham's the only one I've heard articulate that defense in this case and I would guess that's because it's bound to make Trump livid. You may have noticed that he sees himself as a "very stable genius" and he'd probably rather be impeached than hear Republicans say that he was too stupid to have committed a crime.

In other words: This might be a crime in the hands of some other administration, but not in the hands of the Trump administration, because they are so incompetent they are incapable of pulling it off. Needless to say, that doesn't quite square with reality—plenty of folks involved were 100% convinced that an act of extortion was underway. Schiff might also get a lawyer or two to take the stand and point out that incompetence is not actually a valid defense. It's still attempted murder, even if the perpetrator forgets to load the gun.

Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:48 am
by John Q. Public
Mobster calling on more witnesses to testify. #TooDumbToCrime


Re: Whistle blower vs Privilege

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:50 pm
by Wabash
He sounds scared.